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Old 01-24-2015, 08:09 PM   #1
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I was installing a 100amp sub panel in a big ass basement and came across this; funny thing is, the house is probably 3-5 years old! They went to great lengths to run this from the neutral bar at the disco....needless to say I cut the #6 and dropped it into the new sub.
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:11 PM   #2
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Was that the gas pipe bond?
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Was that the gas pipe bond?
I guess you could call it that...better would be the "illegal gas pipe bond" or the "suicide gas pipe bond".
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Old 01-24-2015, 10:20 PM   #4
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What makes it suicidal to an MBJ vs. a sub's G-bar Buzz? ~CS~
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If there is flexible stainless gas lines in the home you need to bond the gas line here in Iowa. You might want to see if that is the reason next time you go cutting stuff. Personally if you did that in my house you would be getting called back to fix it.


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Any job I do, the inspector aways checks out the grounding and bonding . I think you should have another look.
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If any of that is corrugated gas tubing it needs to be bonded/grounded.


BTW, that duct work is
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I guess you could call it that...better would be the "illegal gas pipe bond" or the "suicide gas pipe bond".
Gas pipes are bonded either intentionally or accidentally and hard to avoid. Ever appliance that uses gas also has an electrical connection with a EGC.
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When ever an existing gas line is extended using flexible gas line it must be bonded. I think you better put it back.


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When ever an existing gas line is extended using flexible gas line it must be bonded. I think you better put it back.


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Pray tell, how was that one in the picture ''bonded'' when the pipe is clearly wrapped in insulating tape under the pipe clamp?
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If any of that is corrugated gas tubing it needs to be bonded/grounded.
oops.
yep, never saw any corrugated tubing so that's what made me jump at it, but that doesn't mean there is some where I can't see. I got more work there shortly, I'll fix it.
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Mac your losing me here... Insulating tape?? Looks like black pipe here to me... I would check water heater main bond should be there vs bonding sub derived off main panel.
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Mac your losing me here... Insulating tape?? Looks like black pipe here to me... I would check water heater main bond should be there vs bonding sub derived off main panel.
Thought about that, my eyes and pictures here are not that great, that looked like plumbers pipe wrap to me at first. We rarely see black pipe used here.
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BTW, that duct work is
I don't see any duct work. I see insulation!
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I see this stuff here all the time the cable guys are ground happy I think we need a few better pics . Gas is used everything up here in snow country. A ground wire is usually run from an appliance to the pipe if had flex pipe ( dryers) usually. But the main bond is usually at water heater

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I just recoil at gas bonds two inches from the valve.
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Why would you drop that bond into your sub ? Grounding and grounded conductors would run with your feeder. Its is neither in a detached building nor a seperatly derived system.
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Why would you drop that bond into your sub ? Grounding and grounded conductors would run with your feeder. Its is neither in a detached building nor a seperatly derived system.
There's nothing wrong with bonding a gas pipe from the ground bar in a sub panel.
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The gas bond is unnecessary if there is no CSST present and the equipment grounding conductor for the unit served will be the bond for the gas.

If you bond the pipe then IMO it is size to T250.122 . Going to a sub panel should be can be argued as to whether it is okay or not as there is no provisions that I know of that allows the ground bar in a panel to be used. To late for a proposal for 2017 but golly someone should put it in there

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The gas bond is unnecessary if there is no CSST present and the equipment grounding conductor for the unit served will be the bond for the gas.

If you bond the pipe then IMO it is size to T250.122 . Going to a sub panel should be can be argued as to whether it is okay or not as there is no provisions that I know of that allows the ground bar in a panel to be used. To late for a proposal for 2017 but golly someone should put it in there
We're not talking about a bonding jumper.
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