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Old 03-21-2018, 07:38 PM   #21
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Missing devices when they crowd a single page drawing with lighting, electric receptacles, hvac wiring and fire alarm.

I did a job last year where the engineer didn't put any strobes on the 2nd-6th floor of a building.

The developer was pissed at me for not mentioning it...but as i explained to him, we simply count items and send them off to vendors for pricing.

And as cut throat as things are nowadays we never add anything on drawings cause we think you need them.
It's a catch-22 really. The engineer bastards throw in "all work to be to NEC 20**, NFPA 101", etc. So if they **** up, we are still liable because even though the engineer sucks at his job, we are stuck holding our d*cks because we should know better.
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Old 03-21-2018, 10:56 PM   #22
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I'm surprised you got the additional horn/strobes as an extra. Usually there's a note that says you have to give them a functional, code compliant system.

For us, we have to get our fire alarm vendor to submit drawings for approval by the engineer. It probably would have been caught then, when there was no devices on the one line. That's when they would have said eat it!

It's like drawing receptacles (not GFI's) next to sinks and outdoors. If it didn't get taken off as GFI's, you eat it. "EC shall be responsible for code compliance" or some BS.
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It's a catch-22 really. The engineer bastards throw in "all work to be to NEC 20**, NFPA 101", etc. So if they **** up, we are still liable because even though the engineer sucks at his job, we are stuck holding our d*cks because we should know better.

These lousy types of engineers are fairly easy to work around. State on your proposal that your price is to drawings a, b and c dated x/x/20xx, acknowledging addendums x, y, and z (or none at all)

In general it seems the architects and engineers are getting lazier and lazier, so it's our job to punish them for their laziness and make our change orders to fix their errors cost more and more
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