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Old 09-11-2016, 10:53 AM   #21
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If the holes don't line up for a standard box and it looks like something that came from another dimension, you look for a sticker.
If the holes don't line up, you break out your lighting hardware kit and find a strap, spider plate, or other fitting that will work.
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Old 09-11-2016, 11:00 AM   #22
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If the holes don't line up, you break out your lighting hardware kit and find a strap, spider plate, or other fitting that will work.
I had serious concerns about the safety of this thing and so did the inspector.
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I had serious concerns about the safety of this thing and so did the inspector.
So the cheap Chinese fixture with the little white wirenuts and candlopra base sticking out in the middle of nowhere is safe because they paid for a little sticker?
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So the cheap Chinese fixture with the little white wirenuts and candlopra base sticking out in the middle of nowhere is safe because they paid for a little sticker?
That's a different discussion.
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I had serious concerns about the safety of this thing and so did the inspector.
Yet if some idiot sitting in an inspection office said "Whatever, go ahead and hang it." your serious safety concerns would have just gone away

Just hang the light, darn it.
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Yet if some idiot sitting in an inspection office said "Whatever, go ahead and hang it." your serious safety concerns would have just gone away

Just hang the light, darn it.
Nobody talks to me like that!

Actually, when I think about it, a lot of people do .
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Nobody talks to me like that!

Actually, when I think about it, a lot of people do .
I do it out of love
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Thanks, dad.
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Old 09-11-2016, 11:44 AM   #29
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Yeh, the plate that fits nothing but an octagon. Spend an extra hour modifying a couple of sconces to fit a round old work rated for wall fixture support.
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...And 10 part maximum before added charges.
That's what I was curious about. I could just see some customer getting wound up about what the definition of a "decorative fixture" actually was. But if you've got a hard number to fall back on it gives you more leverage.
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That's what I was curious about. I could just see some customer getting wound up about what the definition of a "decorative fixture" actually was. But if you've got a hard number to fall back on it gives you more leverage.
Luckily most customers are reasonable.

When discussing it beforehand, I will talk it out with them. I will ask how intricate it is and if it has a lot of crystals, and explain how one chandelier unfolds in seconds and is ready to be hung, while another one could take 2-3 hours to put together and I have to charge more for that. They are always understanding.
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Your contract boilerplate should always exclude unlisted fixtures.

There'll be no charge, because you're not touching them.

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Fixtures with complex assembly -- specifically crystals -- can either be excluded -- or require a modifier.

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Consider them to be "Artistic Assemblies."

Hence, they are bid at an artistic rate.
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I can't say I have ever given a **** if a fixture had a UL rating or not. In 30 years I have never had an inspector even give that a second thought.
If the label is not CSA or an approved equal, it stays on the floor.
Don't know about your NEC, but CEC specifically states that we can't install that crap. And our inspectors like to look for the labels, primarily on equipment, not so much on lights
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If the label is not CSA or an approved equal, it stays on the floor.
Don't know about your NEC, but CEC specifically states that we can't install that crap. And our inspectors like to look for the labels, primarily on equipment, not so much on lights
cracks me up when inspectors go official and request to see labels and approvals for switchgear. Hell if Chinese are taking the time and energy to counterfeit a switchgear, the label is the easiest part to fake in the first place................
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That's a great point! What type of checking would/could they do once they find the sticker? Do they just stop the inquire once a sticker is present? Flawed inmo.
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Speaking of stickers, I still have these that I sell for $200 a piece: http://www.electriciantalk.com/f27/b...tickers-57088/
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You saw an opening to market those and took it. Good luck with sale! lol
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I was expecting a thread about these

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cracks me up when inspectors go official and request to see labels and approvals for switchgear. Hell if Chinese are taking the time and energy to counterfeit a switchgear, the label is the easiest part to fake in the first place................
The Chinese are horrible at making fake labels. The next hint is reading instructions that used Google translator.
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