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Old 04-14-2012, 03:10 PM   #41
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Well, considering he ended up using a 4/0 box, I'd say all three of those would have worked, wouldn't you say? When do you fall off that building?

If any of those were listed for fixture support, they would have been good suggestions.
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Old 04-14-2012, 03:18 PM   #42
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I'm just a silly industrial electrician, but when I've had to put a ceiling fixture in it was either, A) on a joist and there was no need to worry about cut-in boxes or B) not on a joist and I've used old-work bar boxes between the joists with great success.

Why wouldn't the second option work?

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Old 04-14-2012, 11:55 PM   #43
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I think I said that already,

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I thought old work ceiling boxes were not rated for fixture support?
I was right! I did!
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I'm just a silly industrial electrician, but when I've had to put a ceiling fixture in it was either, A) on a joist and there was no need to worry about cut-in boxes or B) not on a joist and I've used old-work bar boxes between the joists with great success.

Why wouldn't the second option work?

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These were over a breakfast counter in kitchen and needed to be centered exactly.....there was no joist.

My question was what if I HAD to cut this in as there is not always access to a crawl space i.e middle floor.
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My question was what if I HAD to cut this in as there is not always access to a crawl space i.e middle floor.
Nobody makes the proper box. You have to adapt and overcome. Those brown bakelite ones are small enough but somethin about em just aint right. I don't remember what it was.

And, (almost) nobody cares if a box is rated to hang an 8 ounce pendant fixture. It would hang from the wirenuts.
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These were over a breakfast counter in kitchen and needed to be centered exactly.....there was no joist.

My question was what if I HAD to cut this in as there is not always access to a crawl space i.e middle floor.
Then you would have had to do some patching
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How about using the bar from a fan brace kit and a 3"x 1.5" octagon:
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Nobody makes the proper box. You have to adapt and overcome. Those brown bakelite ones are small enough but somethin about em just aint right. I don't remember what it was.

And, (almost) nobody cares if a box is rated to hang an 8 ounce pendant fixture. It would hang from the wirenuts.
These almost worked....but the metal ears just stick out a bit.

client spent $150 for each pendant....
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I like Joe Sparky's idea.
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How about using the bar from a fan brace kit and a 3"x 1.5" octagon...
That's exactly what I was trying to describe.

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