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Old 10-05-2012, 01:24 PM   #1
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I have a handful of violations I am figuring to rectify. i did the original install 4 years ago and since the Owner/HI guy did some hackery to the system. The landlord had me inspect the premises after they were stealing electric from the house panel. I refused to commit any further work unless all the fire and safety hazards are corrected. I am putting a price together. When i originally wired the counter prep area i GFCI protected convenience outlets and had the fixed appliances non GFCI. The HIhack relocated stuff leaving non GFCI outlets all around. Since this is not the kitchen, is it a violation?
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I would lean towards yes, as there is usually a sink in the vicinity, and you have food prep going on, but 210.8(B) lists bathrooms, kitchens, rooftops, outdoors, sinks (within 6'), indoor wet locations, locker rooms w/ showers, and garages. Since the code definition of a kitchen says its an area with a sink and permanent provisions for food prep and cooking, then I guess it depends whether they have an oven and a sink there.
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Of course there's a sink; Health Dept. regulations require hand-wash sinks in any area where food is prepared.
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All 120v receptacles in a commercial kitchen need to be gfci protected. Don't have the book I front of me to cite the code but as of 11'. I got ringed on it that's hoe I know.
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Yes. One question, did you protect all the 120s? Im thinking if he moved stuff around... or did he remove the permanent equipment and put regular outlets there?
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As you know I spend most of my life in supermarkets and we GFCI protect all the prep / service area outlets. It's not worth arguing about if it is required or not.
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Yes. One question, did you protect all the 120s? Im thinking if he moved stuff around... or did he remove the permanent equipment and put regular outlets there?
There were 220volt 30 amp coffee maker receptacles and single 20 amp outlets for toasters, and a variety of other fixed equipment. He replaced them with $.59 HD outlets .I'm sure the ones where the 220volt outlets were are taking one side of a 30 amp circuit.
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As you know I spend most of my life in supermarkets and we GFCI protect all the prep / service area outlets. It's not worth arguing about if it is required or not.
Are these all "point of use" GFCI's??
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Are these all "point of use" GFCI's??
Yes, or sometimes faceless GFCIs to supply a single twist lock.
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Are these all "point of use" GFCI's??
Yes they are all point of use GFCIs, except for what was perverted by the HI guy/partner.
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There were 220volt 30 amp coffee maker receptacles and single 20 amp outlets for toasters, and a variety of other fixed equipment. He replaced them with $.59 HD outlets .I'm sure the ones where the 220volt outlets were are taking one side of a 30 amp circuit.
The way I see it he created the violations. You did nothing wrong. If it feels alright charge for every single outlet that was modified.
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try 210.8(B)(2)
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