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Old 06-10-2016, 07:11 AM   #41
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Why did you have to have a transformer at the pole? Is it several miles from the nearest power source. 1.25 amps can go a long ways on 12 or 10s without much voltage drop.
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Old 06-10-2016, 07:26 AM   #42
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Other than the transmission method do you like the idea of a quick drawing beforehand?
The way I do this these days is half archaic. I make a sketch with pencil and paper, take a picture of it with my phone, and text or email or even fax it to the recipient. If you have a steady hand with a little practice it comes out almost as good as if you'd scanned it.

This is definitely the way to go, hands down. Work out your artistic critiques on paper, not in metal, everyone will feel better.
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Thanks everyone for the great advice! I like the drawing tips. Back to fix it today. Boss wants it mounted on strut to the front of the base. He doesn't like how high it's sitting so that's what we'll do. First snow storm and plow we'll be back to fix it lol.
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Why did you have to have a transformer at the pole? Is it several miles from the nearest power source. 1.25 amps can go a long ways on 12 or 10s without much voltage drop.
Yeh we didn't have 120v available anywhere close. Closest woulda be over 500ft away. We were able to pick up 480v from a nearby light pole circuit. i retrofitted the sign with LED so it draws nothing. I found out today that a company called Thomas Research makes a 480v LED driver that would've worked 🤔
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Yeh we didn't have 120v available anywhere close. Closest woulda be over 500ft away. We were able to pick up 480v from a nearby light pole circuit. i retrofitted the sign with LED so it draws nothing. I found out today that a company called Thomas Research makes a 480v LED driver that would've worked 🤔
Well your boss should have done this (bold) and had the materials ready for you. IMO, he losses all rights to "critique" your work.
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Got a quick question is there any code violations or safety issues that my boss is feeding the transformer with a branch circuit conductor that has loads connected before the transformer we installed?
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If you need your boss to explain how every job should be done, how will we become better?

If he looked at this job and said it was okay, would you be spending this much time thinking 101 ways to do it better, or just move on to the next job?

I think you should take this as a way to learn from every job you do, and eventually your boss won't need to check on your work.

Just my 2 cents.
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If you need your boss to explain how every job should be done, how will we become better?

If he looked at this job and said it was okay, would you be spending this much time thinking 101 ways to do it better, or just move on to the next job?

I think you should take this as a way to learn from every job you do, and eventually your boss won't need to check on your work.

Just my 2 cents.
I would totally agree with you typically but thats not the case here. You know just as well as I do that not every electrician will do a job the same way. Look at how many different ways there were in this thread for how I should complete this job. I don't believe that makes any of them bad electricians or great electricians. My boss overlooks safety and code stuff because he's too busy focusing on appearance. I found the drivers that would've saved us days worth of work and he couldn't even take 30 mins to look for that.
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How long have you been in this trade?
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I agree in this case my comment may not be applicable, however for others that read on this board might understand why a "good" boss would critique ones work.

As they say there are 100 ways to do a job, but the difference between a good tradesperson and an okay tradesperson is to learn from every job and not to just settle for okay.

I understand that the trades can be competitive, especially in resi, but not all of us are contractors. I work for a City and all work that I do is based on tax money. There is a very fine line between extravagant and functional without compromising safety and I am expected to come up with the best solution. The other difference is that my superior has no trades knowledge at all which leaves me to be self supervised.
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I agree in this case my comment may not be applicable, however for others that read on this board might understand why a "good" boss would critique ones work.

As they say there are 100 ways to do a job, but the difference between a good tradesperson and an okay tradesperson is to learn from every job and not to just settle for okay.

I understand that the trades can be competitive, especially in resi, but not all of us are contractors. I work for a City and all work that I do is based on tax money. There is a very fine line between extravagant and functional without compromising safety and I am expected to come up with the best solution. The other difference is that my superior has no trades knowledge at all which leaves me to be self supervised.
Yeh I totally agree with you. Everyday I try to learn something new but I try to follow the guys like Mike Holt. The guy I work with everyday has way more experience than me in fabrication but I have a masters electrical license so we try to come up with the best solution with the materials we have to work with. I can imagine every single job I do is bad. If it was then he would've fired me a long time ago. In my opinion it comes down to I think he just is kind of obsessive and has to have total control which is fine but then it's your job to supply me with the materials on how you would like it done.
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Thanks John. I let stuff like this bother me because I don't want want to be thought of as a hack. My boss will constantly say you figure it out but then he always has a better way. I don't like doing jobs twice and I can't imagine it benefits the company. I can't read his mind unfortunately. Maybe I should just tell him to be upfront with me from now on and tell me how he wants the job done so that this stuff doesn't happen. I think he wanted us to mount the box away from the sign and then pipe over to the sign honestly.
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If he has a way he wants the jobs done then I think he should draw up a plan and get me the materials to complete the job. Instead a lot of times he says at 8am when we walk in this is where your going get the materials together your going to need. A lot of times were scrambling or having to stop at supply houses on the way. Truth is what you see in these pictures is really what I had with me to complete the job. I spend more time worrying on jobs thinking how would my boss want it done. Its his company and he doesn't understand there is more than one way to complete a job. He always feels like the only way is his way. It's kind a double edged sword lol. Lately this has caused me to be really stressed and unhappy. I'm young and know I have a lot to learn but I LOVE doing electrical work but this **** has left a sour taste in my mouth. Thanks everyone for the advice I take it to heart.
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Start looking at other peoples work and compare your work to theirs.
Look in Costco and other stores and look hard at how they ran the pipe and set the boxes and panels.
Try to see very good work in your head when you perform any work.
I see some commercial in you since you used minis for the vertical pipe run.

I would have zero issue with your work and I be damned I go back again.
What you did is sufficient, but it does not look real good, but the sign looks like ****.
How long have you worked commercial? How long have you been bending pipe? It takes experience to get good at this ****.
You don't get beautiful work right away. You have to want to make it pretty and you have to know what you are wanting it to look like.
Look around at other installs and then ask yourself.
"Could I have done a better job"?

I'm not beating you up. You had the balls to come here and post. So you got the balls to hear negative **** here and from your boss.
Its your job to be the best you can be. I bet you can be the best!
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Start looking at other peoples work and compare your work to theirs.
Look in Costco and other stores and look hard at how they ran the pipe and set the boxes and panels.
Try to see very good work in your head when you perform any work.
I see some commercial in you since you used minis for the vertical pipe run.

I would have zero issue with your work and I be damned I go back again.
What you did is sufficient, but it does not look real good, but the sign looks like ****.
How long have you worked commercial? How long have you been bending pipe? It takes experience to get good at this ****.
You don't get beautiful work right away. You have to want to make it pretty and you have to know what you are wanting it to look like.
Look around at other installs and then ask yourself.
"Could I have done a better job"?

I'm not beating you up. You had the balls to come here and post. So you got the balls to hear negative **** here and from your boss.
Its your job to be the best you can be. I bet you can be the best!
We do such a wide variety of things here that it isn't always easy to stay ahead of them game on everything. I think that's where I struggle. For my age I feel like I'm doing pretty well. Everyday here is something different and were mostly service electricians so I'm constantly on my feet trying to come up with a solution to a problem. I want to be the best I can be and I take your advice to heart. I'm going to just keep learning and continuing to work hard. I hope someday I get to the point where I can own my own business. We will see in time. Thank you.
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We do such a wide variety of things here that it isn't always easy to stay ahead of them game on everything. I think that's where I struggle. For my age I feel like I'm doing pretty well. Everyday here is something different and were mostly service electricians so I'm constantly on my feet trying to come up with a solution to a problem. I want to be the best I can be and I take your advice to heart. I'm going to just keep learning and continuing to work hard. I hope someday I get to the point where I can own my own business. We will see in time. Thank you.
I understand where you are coming from. Service work and new construction are completely different.
I glad you did not take my post the wrong way.
I figured you were a young guy and just needed some reinforcement which your boss does not seem to give you.
Most/many service guys are not doing this stuff. Just keep in mind you are getting cross trained in every aspect of this trade.
You my friend have an advantage over many other young tradesmen.
You are getting a variety of work and not just doing the same thing day in and day out.
Keep it up and remember the more you do something the better you will get.
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Other than the transmission method do you like the idea of a quick drawing beforehand?

Yeah. Drawing is good communication but the boss should be doing the drawing if he has something in mind.

I'm the kind of boss that

1) takes the time to say "do it this way" or
2) let's you do whatever you want to do



If the boss wanted it mounted on the side of the base (((()))) he should have simply said that in the first place.

I like stealthy, aerodynamic installations
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You and I have close to the same amount of experience so this might help since we're on the same level.

I run a little crew on the side and these are often guys I lead during the day. If I don't tell them how it should be done then I can't be upset if they don't read my mind.

I also have a boss who can do everything you can two times faster better, blah blah blah. He's such a good electrican because when they were building the Pyramids in Egypt he was a helper on that job and told his lead guy the Mason's were gonna cover them up but his lead guy wouldn't listen. That's why there's no exterior lights. Pharaoh didn't want exposed pipe. 😂😂😂

In other words, a nitpicking boss that doesn't tell you how he wants it is full of crap. I used to let it beat me up real bad too. Then I ended up working for another guy who helped me get all the BS the first guy would tell me out of my head. I worked for a third guy and now I'm back with this first guy after 3 years. Now the guys that stuck it out with this guy for 3 years all got battered wife syndrome while I learned how to think for myself, lead guys, got a contractors license. These guys still crap themselves when the boss shows up!

I said all that to say, if it ain't a code violation or he didn't specify how he wanted it done then it's on him. Your helper knows it. Your co workers know it. His customers probably know it. And those co workers that ain't kissing tail will sympathize with you. So keep your head up, forget all that negativity and keep at it. See if you can get on somewhere else and if you can't, just remember, you were looking for a job when you got that one. Something else will come along
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