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Old 03-02-2019, 11:28 AM   #101
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I would never say that offset connectors are wrong. I have my reasons for not using them as stated above which only boils down to personal preference, but I don't think they are wrong by any stretch.
I wouldn't say wrong, but like insulated staples or Sharkbites, just DIY homeowner-ish.
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Old 03-02-2019, 11:38 AM   #102
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I wouldn't say wrong, but like insulated staples or Sharkbites, just DIY homeowner-ish.

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I wouldn't say wrong, but like insulated staples or Sharkbites, just DIY homeowner-ish.
Agreed. I would use one if I was in a situation where I did not have my bender or for whatever reason I could not get a bender in there. Everything has it's place.

Same reason I use PVC meter offsets; generally I like to bend my pipe into the base of a meter socket, but there are times when it is not practical to do that so out comes the meter offset.

I think visually the difference is that often you need to transition with the steel materials (such as the picture) but in PVC it pretty much flows together well. Not too much different then transitioning from conduit to liquidseal, there is no real "pretty" way to do that.

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Why do you think everything is directed at you?
I don't think everything is directed at me. You quoted my post and again told me that using offset connectors was wrong. You were clearly speaking to me.

So I will ask again why you keep trying to prove your opinion and how many more times you are going to do it?
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I wouldn't say wrong, but like insulated staples or Sharkbites, just DIY homeowner-ish.
Sharkbites are awesome.

Insulated staples are really, really homeownerish. Only handimen use them. Training wheels.
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Insulated staples are really, really homeownerish. Only handimen use them. Training wheels.
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For the last decade I have admitted how horrible I am at stapling romex. Yet even I haven't had a single situation in which a staple cut into the wire, and never had any other issue in which a little piece of super thing plastic would have helped.
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I don't think everything is directed at me. You quoted my post and again told me that using offset connectors was wrong. You were clearly speaking to me.

Why are you asking me a question that I already answered? And then quote me but leave the part where I answered you out? Are you ok? Here is the whole quote, maybe read it over again. I put the part that you left out in bold for you.


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THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM!!! Why do you think everything is directed at you? I do not have to give YOU any info as to how, when and why I plan on posting here.

For future reference, if someone quotes something you said and then posts their opinion on that topic, that doesnít always mean that their post is directed at only YOU. That could also mean they are posting their opinion based on that topic for all members to see.
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So I will ask again why you keep trying to prove your opinion and how many more times you are going to do it?
Why do you keep saying that? Iím not trying to prove anything to anyone. Why are you ignoring the fact that this is a public forum and no one has to get permission from you to post whatever they want. Seriously, have you not slept yet?
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Eddy, you did not have my permission to make that post.
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It's perfect! I always installed 1-hole straps like that.

This could be like a ground up/down argument. I have seen this spoken about many years ago, but it died down.
I remember seeing a discussion about this, I remember one guy said try it and see, it's more secure like in @zac 's picture.

The guy had a point, some things you can debate pointlessly forever and nobody will ever really know, some things you can actually test yourself and see.

So I did. Turns out, it's a lot harder to pull down or kick off conduit strapped to a wall if you attach the straps above the conduit.
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I'm in the woods chipping golf balls today. And there is no way to say this without it being taken as a dig by someone. But it occurred to me that this is the difference between technician and electrician. The difference being, one is a job, the other is a craft. There is absolutely nothing wrong being an electrical technician. It's a great job and truth is I spend probably 97% of my time with that hat on. But I've never really let go of being an electrician, even when it got in the way of being a business person, to my detriment.

Point is, if I step back and look at it from the point of view of a technician, those fittings are great for in and out, get it done. I'm lazy, so I really should see it this way more often. After all, I am the founder of the art of Creative Wiring. You can do some wacky stuff with 12-4 MC. I couldn't imagine, as an electrician, piping a brand new building and using these offset connectors. Just isn't in my orbit. But if I were a uniformed tech, I'd probably keep some in my shirt pocket.
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I'm in the woods chipping golf balls today. And there is no way to say this without it being taken as a dig by someone. But it occurred to me that this is the difference between technician and electrician. The difference being, one is a job, the other is a craft. There is absolutely nothing wrong being an electrical technician. It's a great job and truth is I spend probably 97% of my time with that hat on. But I've never really let go of being an electrician, even when it got in the way of being a business person, to my detriment.



Point is, if I step back and look at it from the point of view of a technician, those fittings are great for in and out, get it done. I'm lazy, so I really should see it this way more often. After all, I am the founder of the art of Creative Wiring. You can do some wacky stuff with 12-4 MC. I couldn't imagine, as an electrician, piping a brand new building and using these offset connectors. Just isn't in my orbit. But if I were a uniformed tech, I'd probably keep some in my shirt pocket.
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I don't think we use anything around here but insulated staples.
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I don't think we use anything around here but insulated staples.
Nobody stocks uninsulated 1" long staples around here, that I know of. I use 1 1/4" long uninsulated for MC, though.
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In these crazy mixed up times , who's to say what's right or wrong . Just do what feels right . Yeah what feels right .
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I didn't say I was golfing. I said I was hitting golf balls into the woods. Someone gave me a two 5 gallon buckets of balls. It's fun seeing how far I can drive one. I hit about 50 of them with a baseball bat. I'm going to modify my potato cannon to shoot them. Maybe tomorrow.
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I don't think we use anything around here but insulated staples.

Insulated staples means different things to different people, we use the Briscon style here obviously. But to others an "insulated staple" is the white plastic with two nails type. I agree that using those is totally amateur hour.
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