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Old 03-23-2018, 02:04 PM   #1
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In the real world, how closely are the division 26 specifications followed by the installers?

I get the impression that its so long that hardly anybody digs too deep into it.

Reviewing submittals from the contractor makes me think the contractor said, 'lets submit this and see what happens.'

For reference Im working towards a PE license.

I dont mean to sound short, just genuinely curious and wonder what the other side of the process is.
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Old 03-23-2018, 03:02 PM   #2
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the real world depends on who you are working for.

loosey-goosey and slam it in commercial contractors get away with whatever they can get away with.

national retailers and upstanding clients (owners and gcs) often have not only architects and engineers to supervise, but also independent engineering firms that inspect the job tooth and nail near or after final, create punch lists, and reinspect as necessary to insure compliance with whatever the specs, plans, and docs say (way over and above NEC).

military and government jobs have their own set of players, often on site engineers to insure compliance.

some very large GCs sometimes play a different game, with specs superseding NEC requirements (like, say, 9' hangars on center for EMT), and then at the end of the job calling the subs in for non compliance and telling them they can go back and redo the work, or agree to a 15% pay cut. (One of the largest companies in the world does this regularly when building stadiums).

So . . . , the answer to your question is Yes, mostly. sometimes no.

In my experience, residential is just to code, but I never did custom homes that weren't negotiated.j

BTW, non-conforming responses to bid, and non-conforming submittals are a whole nuther game entirely. sometimes a gamble, sometimes profitable, sometimes not.
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When I was working for an engineering firm, we went through the submittals very thoroughly to make sure that the "equivalent" was and not some POS that was a lot cheaper and way inferior. That or that it matched the existing equipment on site for a reason...
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Absolutely, it's a game people play but they almost have prior knowledge or experience about the GC or engineer and know what will slide. Some engineers appreciate value engineered bids and some take that pretty hard.
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Reviewing submittals from the contractor makes me think the contractor said, 'lets submit this and see what happens.
Many times it's not the contractor, but the vendor. Most contractors have the vendors bidding the gear or fixture packages. The vendor puts it together and submits. Most of the time if you pick something up that's not in compliance, the vendor has to pick it up. The vendor reviewed the job, and specs, when he was bidding on the package to the contractor.
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We get calls several times a year. We bit this job and it calls for NETA testing in Div 26, we did not put any money in there what is the bare minimum you can do and can you cut us a deal.
Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now
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