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Old 07-12-2016, 09:50 AM   #1
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Default Do We Need An Apprentice Section?

I realize we have had this discussion before, so don't bite my head off.

Recently I have been getting a few requests again for an apprentice section in the community. Is this something we should add? Why? Why not?
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Yes!

This site is full of crotchety old curmudgeons (I'm even getting there myself). There are many repetitive threads by apprentices about tools, jobsite issues and union membership that get ignored. Besides that, it would be cool to see dialogue between apprentices helping each other out.

As a website operator, you need to invest in the future and the future isn't old farts wearing tinfoil hats.

Change up the flavour of this website, Cricket! Currently, the flavour is last week's pizza.
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Cricket,

I am only a new member, so I doubt my opinion will hold much weight but it seems like an apprentice section would be a great addition.

It would give us new guys a place to navigate to, and feel comfortable posting what would seem like simple questions to everyone else. My first post was an apprentice question, which I will say was kindly answered by a couple of members in the general talk however if there was a section like you mentioned I would have asked in there instead.

Might keep non-related traffic down in other sections.

Just my .02
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I think there is a lot of merit to an apprentice section. Many of the old threads should be a sticky for easy reference. Having all the info in one place would make things more user friendly.
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So when an apprentice asks a question another apprentice will answer it?
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I understand perhaps the apprentice may want to use it as a chat area but otherwise I don't get it. Don't take me wrong I don't care either way-- it may just bring confusion
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So when an apprentice asks a question another apprentice will answer it?
I don't see it as section only for apprentices. Anybody can participate. It's probably only semantics but an apprentice section recognizes apprentices and makes them feel a part of the community.

The stickies are important. Vintage Sounds wrote an excellent piece on apprenticeship that can be contained in the Apprentice section. The same with threads on tools, etc. Obviously, we would want to encourage participation by apprentices but, even if apprentice lurkers find the information they're looking for without joining, we have done a little bit more to help young people in the trade.
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I like the idea. Not like you can't close it if it goes south for too long.
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For those of you who like the idea of an apprentice section, I would also like to hear your input on a title and description for it.

As @99cents mentioned it would not be a section only for apprentices. Anyone would be able to participate. It would simply help keep those topics in one area while at the same time make apprentices feel more comfortable posting initially.
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I don't see it as section only for apprentices. Anybody can participate. It's probably only semantics but an apprentice section recognizes apprentices and makes them feel a part of the community.

The stickies are important. Vintage Sounds wrote an excellent piece on apprenticeship that can be contained in the Apprentice section. The same with threads on tools, etc. Obviously, we would want to encourage participation by apprentices but, even if apprentice lurkers find the information they're looking for without joining, we have done a little bit more to help young people in the trade.
That was the way I envisioned it, their own area as in topics but not exclusive to apprentices.
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If you make room for an Apprentice section, do you have to take something else away, Cricket? My understanding when we talked about this before is that it was a priority to set up Controversial Talk in an attempt to isolate that stuff from the main website. There was no room for an Apprentice section.
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If you make room for an Apprentice section, do you have to take something else away, Cricket? My understanding when we talked about this before is that it was a priority to set up Controversial Talk in an attempt to isolate that stuff from the main website. There was no room for an Apprentice section.
You can have as many forums as you like- my understanding- so nothing has to disappear
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You can have as many forums as you like- my understanding- so nothing has to disappear
Okay, then go for it. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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There are a couple of places where this could easily go.

I personally prefer putting it between General and Business, but I sincerely want to know where y'all would want it located.

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I also need to know your thoughts on a title and description.
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There are a couple of places where this could easily go.

I personally prefer putting it between General and Business, but I sincerely want to know where y'all would want it located.

I also need to know your thoughts on a title and description.
Between General and Business seems appropriate.
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Between General and Business, "Starters and Apprentices".

Git 'er dun, Cricket .

Description can be generic. Nobody reads that chit anyway.

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I had the lone No vote. Here's why:

The young should learn from the old. I think everyone agrees that the blind leading the blind is a train wreck.

Grumpy old men who have the experience and wisdom may tend to shy away from that thread when they have the most to offer.

It isolates a class of people.

All of that being said, this is a great forum. You can take my opposition weighted at 51/49 and not 100% no. Looks like it's going to happen.
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I had the lone No vote. Here's why:

The young should learn from the old. I think everyone agrees that the blind leading the blind is a train wreck.

Grumpy old men who have the experience and wisdom may tend to shy away from that thread when they have the most to offer.

It isolates a class of people.

All of that being said, this is a great forum. You can take my opposition weighted at 51/49 and not 100% no. Looks like it's going to happen.
Shy? The old codgers on this site have ballz of steel.
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I had the lone No vote. Here's why:

The young should learn from the old. I think everyone agrees that the blind leading the blind is a train wreck.

Grumpy old men who have the experience and wisdom may tend to shy away from that thread when they have the most to offer.

It isolates a class of people.

All of that being said, this is a great forum. You can take my opposition weighted at 51/49 and not 100% no. Looks like it's going to happen.
I don't think it's more than just grouping the threads that apply to apprentices in one place. Most of the older guys here that answer questions on apprentice topics should continue to do so.
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I would say yes we need an apprentice section.

The first reason is it would be a nice area for younglings to ask questions without the typical response of "Go pick up a book!"

The 2nd reason I can think of is that all of us electricians have missed things in our apprenticeship/career, and either we don't know something or we're too far along to ask a dumb question. Glancing at the apprentice section, we will be able to help or learn something we ourselves didn't learn in the first years.
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