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Old 02-17-2015, 09:01 PM   #1
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I got turned down on a remodel for not having the proper AFCI breaker in a Siemens panel. We sell all Square D and Homeline Breakers conveniently fit into most panels, is this a code issue or an Inspector preference?
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:06 PM   #2
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that's what handymen and plumbers do around here

....use the right breaker
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that's what handymen and plumbers do around here

....use the right breaker
Code or Inspector preference?
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I got turned down on a remodel for not having the proper AFCI breaker in a Siemens panel. We sell all Square D and Homeline Breakers conveniently fit into most panels, is this a code issue or an Inspector preference?
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both, its more of a listing thing probably. The label on the panel will say which breakers are approved for the particular panel. Or you can get a classified breaker

a homeline in a siemens is def wrong
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Code or Inspector preference?
It's code and common sense. The breakers permitted to be used are listed on the sticker inside the panel cover.


You beat me to it by mere seconds "Jack".
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both, its more of a listing thing probably. The label on the panel will say which breakers are approved for the particular panel. Or you can get a classified breaker

a homeline in a siemens is def wrong
Am I the only one to ever have done this?
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Am I the only one to ever have done this?
I've done it and failed inspection, also have done it and passed inspection.
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I've done it and failed inspection, also have done it and passed inspection.
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Am I the only one to ever have done this?
Not by a long shot, we have all done it. Some out of desperation and some out if ignorance or worse. Your question wasn't if it can be done, but if it was a violation.
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Just because it fits, doesn't mean it's right:

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This was brought up in another thread recently, and someone posted a YT video showing a Siemens breaker in a GE panel, where the buss stabs were arcing to the fingers of the breaker. Does anyone remember the thread, or have the link to that video?

I have tried searching this site and Youtube to no avail. My friend has a 40 amp Siemens DP in his GE panel going to a range, and wanted to show him that video.

As for OP, I would do it on a temp service in a pinch, but never on anything permanent. I only do commercial work, but I have heard AFCIs are finicky anyways. Why add another layer of problems to that?
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Wow. I can't believe you even tried to get that to pass!
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This was brought up in another thread recently, and someone posted a YT video showing a Siemens breaker in a GE panel, where the buss stabs were arcing to the fingers of the breaker. Does anyone remember the thread, or have the link to that video?

I have tried searching this site and Youtube to no avail. My friend has a 40 amp Siemens DP in his GE panel going to a range, and wanted to show him that video.

As for OP, I would do it on a temp service in a pinch, but never on anything permanent. I only do commercial work, but I have heard AFCIs are finicky anyways. Why add another layer of problems to that?

Edit: Mikey, that is the video, thank you from a fellow Ohioan (Columbus area)

I looked for that video as well, but couldn't find it. I wanted to add it to my post above yours.

If I remember correctly, 480sparky posted it.
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I looked for that video as well, but couldn't find it. I wanted to add it to my post above yours.

If I remember correctly, 480sparky posted it.
Ha, I saw the thumbnail and duration of the video and assumed it was that one. edited my edit. If I find it, I will post it in this thread. I want to say it was in this general electric forum, but I view so many sub forums here, I can't be sure. The search feature is terrible, that is a fact.
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Wow. I can't believe you even tried to get that to pass!
It's passed for me before. Honestly, I considered it to be an improvement upgrading to Sq D.
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This was brought up in another thread recently, and someone posted a YT video showing a Siemens breaker in a GE panel, where the buss stabs were arcing to the fingers of the breaker. Does anyone remember the thread, or have the link to that video?

I have tried searching this site and Youtube to no avail. My friend has a 40 amp Siemens DP in his GE panel going to a range, and wanted to show him that video.

As for OP, I would do it on a temp service in a pinch, but never on anything permanent. I only do commercial work, but I have heard AFCIs are finicky anyways. Why add another layer of problems to that?
480 posted that video
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Well.... that pretty much sums it up!
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It's passed for me before. Honestly, I considered it to be an improvement upgrading to Sq D.
Was it the same inspector? Just because it has passed in the past doesn't make it any less a violation. Even though that square d breaker is way better than the Siemens one.
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