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Old 02-17-2015, 09:46 PM   #21
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Was it the same inspector? Just because it has passed in the past doesn't make it any less a violation. Even though that square d breaker is way better than the Siemens one.
It was in the same jurisdiction but with a different Insp.
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:48 PM   #22
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I found it with some digging, and then came back to this thread to post too late.

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Well.... that pretty much sums it up!
To be fair, he does wiggle the breaker a little bit to get the arc going, and even an approved breaker could do that from a manufacturing defect or mishandling. Still just a good idea to use the types listed on the sticker inside the door of the panelboard.

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I found it with some digging, and then came back to this thread to post too late.
Funny thing is that the wrong brand of breakers isn't why it failed. That is how Siemens breakers fail in their own panels.
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Old 02-17-2015, 11:15 PM   #24
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Funny thing is that the wrong brand of breakers isn't why it failed. That is how Siemens breakers fail in their own panels.
I edited my post, especially after scrutiny of the panning in the video when he starts wiggling the breaker.

I still am not the type to intentionally void manufacturer's warranties, and would not want to face a customer or inspector with mismatched breakers, and I am only an apprentice.
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My company got failed once for having like 3 or 4 different types of breakers in a panel

And we've had to "adjust" a breaker to make it work before. Not proud of it. Wasn't my decision.
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If the breaker doesn't fit, that just means you need to use a bigger hammer to get it in.
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If the breaker doesn't fit, that just means you need to use a bigger hammer to get it in.
And if that fails, just slide your conductors into the main lugs.
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And if that fails, just slide your conductors into the main lugs.
Oh no, that would be unsafe.
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Funny thing is that the wrong brand of breakers isn't why it failed. That is how Siemens breakers fail in their own panels.
I never looked at it that way. Siemens did have recall a few years back.
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Solve those poor connection problems with an Edison base fuse...
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If the breaker doesn't fit, that just means you need to use a bigger hammer to get it in.

Or break out the hack saw
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Stuff that got approved 10 years ago would never pass now, the inspectors are finally starting to get educated.
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At one time we stocked T&B 'classified breakers'.....>



IIRC, they fit 7 or 8 panels prevalent to the American market.

Unfortunately there is more than just 'classified' , because once the NRTL's granted T&B to legally invade other panel makes, the other panel manufacturers countered with warranty claims against them

The irony is, the majority of step in resi breakers are all manufactured in 3rd world sweat shops with the 'stamp du jour' of the day.....~CS~
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Stuff that got approved 10 years ago would never pass now, the inspectors are finally starting to get educated.
Heaven forfend , guess i'm going to have to buy a freakin' code book now! ~CS~
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I came up through the low end contractor route. I was shown how to cut the clip out of the twin or quad Bryant breakers so we could install them on a buss that did not have the V cut in it. It was by the same guy that had his side cutters welded from the hot lug of the line side of a meter base to the enclosure.

And we never were concerned about putting different manufacturers breakers in a panel.
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Classified or not if a problem occurs, fire or anything for that matter and a insurance company gets involved and finds a breaker of a different manufacture in the panel they could nullify the claim. I don't want that over my head and I always install the breaker that is needed for a particular panel. Customer may have to wait a bit until I find one but that's the way it goes or they can find someone else to do the job. Most have been appreciative of that thought and understand completely.
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Strange to me all paneland breaker mfgs. make breakers for their competitors products. Except square D, QO panels and Cutler Hammer CH.
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Am I the only one that thinks Homeline breakers fit better than originals in all panels?
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Am I the only one that thinks Homeline breakers fit better than originals in all panels?
I've tried putting HOs in Pushmatic, FPE and Zinsco panels with no success.
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Zinsco is in the same category as Q/O and the CH. Forgot about Zinsco. Do not see very many here.
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