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Old 02-18-2015, 04:44 PM   #41
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Heard some one discussing this before about using different breakers for different panels.
Seems that someone said it was against code. Show me the reference in the code book please? Panels have a U/L listing, breakers have a U/L listing.
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Old 02-18-2015, 04:53 PM   #42
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The reference is 110.3(B)

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(B) Installation and Use. Listed or labeled equipment
shall be installed and used in accordance with any instructions
included in the listing or labeling.
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Does the breaker match the panel?
This is my new "Does the carpet match the drapes" ^
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This is my new "Does the carpet match the drapes" ^

I will use this one day.
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Strange to me all paneland breaker mfgs. make breakers for their competitors products. Except square D, QO panels and Cutler Hammer CH.
Wrong. Cutler hammer makes a breaker that fits qo. Bad thing is, it cost more than qo, and doesn't have a trip indicator.
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You are correct, something about the patent expiring on the Q/O.
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I've always thought that the breaker has to be listed for the panel other wise use the same brand breaker as the panel. Some inspectors are just more on the ball than others.

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We install all Siemens products in all of our new construction, but the HVAC contractor has caused a red tag a few times because he insists upon installing Eaton brand beakers in our panels. His excuse is "they fit and they are cheaper" even after a fail. The first time I tried to educate him and the builder his response was to download the UL listing from the internet and tape it to the front of the panel neither I nor the inspector were impressed. Even after all of this he still installs Eaton and most inspectors don't notice. Sometimes you can't fight city hall.
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While argued about here, if he installs the Eaton CL breakers, he has a leg to stand on. Regular BR, not so much.
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While argued about here, if he installs the Eaton CL breakers, he has a leg to stand on. Regular BR, not so much.
Pretty sure they are the regular BR as noticed by an savvy inspectors but I will check at the next house.
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CL breakers are likely more expensive than a Siemens QP. I didn't think BR was listed for anything other than BR panels, Westinghouse, Bryant etc.
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Heard some one discussing this before about using different breakers for different panels.
Seems that someone said it was against code. Show me the reference in the code book please? Panels have a U/L listing, breakers have a U/L listing.
110.3b as I said before. Read it learn it love it.
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We install all Siemens products in all of our new construction, but the HVAC contractor has caused a red tag a few times because he insists upon installing Eaton brand beakers in our panels. His excuse is "they fit and they are cheaper" even after a fail. The first time I tried to educate him and the builder his response was to download the UL listing from the internet and tape it to the front of the panel neither I nor the inspector were impressed. Even after all of this he still installs Eaton and most inspectors don't notice. Sometimes you can't fight city hall.
Why is the HVAC contractor wiring stuff to your panels? Isnt that what electricians are for?
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Why is the HVAC contractor wiring stuff to your panels? Isnt that what electricians are for?
The builder we work for likes things in neat packages, that being said HVAC is responsible for all of his wiring. Also they often finish out "especially in winter" before we do and the builder likes the heat on.
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Here is the issue. UL listed the panel for the manufacturer breakers only as that was all they tested them for. So UL says only manufacturer breakers

Then UL or some 3rd party testing lab tests these other manufacturers breakers and says they are safe to install in those panels. So now we are in a pickle.

I know around here there has been some movement to not allow these other breakers as they do not follow the 110.3(B) rule.

Are they safe-- IMO, absolutely but that doesn't help you much if the authority having jurisdiction turns it down.
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Only a hack or DIYer would mix and match breakers.
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It clearly states right here I can use Siemens in all of these panels! Must be ok.
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It clearly states right here I can use Siemens in all of these panels! Must be ok.
It says fuse boxes, that's even more ridiculous.

But, at least they aren't dumb enough to put Square D on that list.
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It clearly states right here I can use Siemens in all of these panels! Must be ok.
Notice that Siemens made their own list.
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It clearly states right here I can use Siemens in all of these panels! Must be ok.
Is this a Joke? I hope some HD electrical aisle delinquent didn't print this up and hang it up for real.
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