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Old 12-13-2017, 06:50 PM   #61
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From panel to outlet is a 4 wire conductor, but only using 3 on the outlet..because the dryer cord is 3 prong..most Appliance Guys will connect the cord according to the outlet..so it stays 3 prong until someone comes with a 4 prong cord..
Most everyone I know would say 10-3 supply, Since you said you changed outlet why not cord, It's not expensive. It should have been done. If you are an electrician than you are not most appliance guys and should not have been involved in the first place. If you saw the 3 wire, excuse me 4 wire supply why didn't you upgrade it then instead of replacing the 3 wire outlet. Dryer cords are cheap and If you were being paid to change outlet why not do it then and do it right. I am sorry but I am a hard ass 40 year veteran and when I see or hear this kind of thing it makes me cringe. This was all basic stuff, I just could not let it go so I had to make my say. I'm sorry if you are offended but it seems that you lack the experience to troubleshoot. I know many "electricians" all they know is pull wires.
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This all started with a very poor description.

If I plugged something in, and there were sparks, I'd certainly know if the sparks started 'lint' on fire ... or if the vent spontaneously combusted (aka, Jellwig's theory)
I probably would have checked the heater elements too (even an Ω check at the plug)


And I agree that it should have been changed to 4 wire at the same time .... it's not like new 10/3 had to be run
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From panel to outlet is a 4 wire conductor, but only using 3 on the outlet..because the dryer cord is 3 prong..most Appliance Guys will connect the cord according to the outlet..so it stays 3 prong until someone comes with a 4 prong cord..
Most everyone I know would say 10-3 supply, Since you said you changed outlet why not cord, It's not expensive. It should have been done. If you are an electrician than you are not most appliance guys and should not have been involved in the first place. If you saw the 3 wire, excuse me 4 wire supply why didn't you upgrade it then instead of replacing the 3 wire outlet. Dryer cords are cheap and If you were being paid to change outlet why not do it then and do it right. I am sorry but I am a hard ass 40 year veteran and when I see or hear this kind of thing it makes me cringe. This was all basic stuff, I just could not let it go so I had to make my say. I'm sorry if you are offended but it seems that you lack the experience to troubleshoot. I know many "electricians" all they know is pull wires.
I didn't because that dryer set off a spark that set the vent a fire..no since changing cord if they are buying a new dryer..
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This all started with a very poor description.

If I plugged something in, and there were sparks, I'd certainly know if the sparks started 'lint' on fire ... or if the vent spontaneously combusted (aka, Jellwig's theory)
I probably would have checked the heater elements too (even an ? check at the plug)


And I agree that it should have been changed to 4 wire at the same time .... it's not like new 10/3 had to be run [IMG class=inlineimg]http://www.electriciantalk.com/images/smilies/blink.gif[/IMG]

I can't imagine how..the simple act of plugging it in sent sparks my focus was on completely unplugging it and turning off breaking, not trying to see what's on fire or where the spark came from..
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From panel to outlet is a 4 wire conductor, but only using 3 on the outlet..because the dryer cord is 3 prong..most Appliance Guys will connect the cord according to the outlet..so it stays 3 prong until someone comes with a 4 prong cord..
Most everyone I know would say 10-3 supply, Since you said you changed outlet why not cord, It's not expensive. It should have been done. If you are an electrician than you are not most appliance guys and should not have been involved in the first place. If you saw the 3 wire, excuse me 4 wire supply why didn't you upgrade it then instead of replacing the 3 wire outlet. Dryer cords are cheap and If you were being paid to change outlet why not do it then and do it right. I am sorry but I am a hard ass 40 year veteran and when I see or hear this kind of thing it makes me cringe. This was all basic stuff, I just could not let it go so I had to make my say. I'm sorry if you are offended but it seems that you lack the experience to troubleshoot. I know many "electricians" all they know is pull wires.
This electrician knows that it don't really matter. 3 or 4 if that's what's there that's what I'm going back with, I don't give any thought to up selling things..most houses here are 3 prong outlets, and I reiterate most houses..only new or rewired are 4 prong, again 3 prong is fine out This way..stop being hung up on the outlet, did you not see that I said they have a new dryer up and running on a 3 prong outlet??
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From panel to outlet is a 4 wire conductor, but only using 3 on the outlet..because the dryer cord is 3 prong..most Appliance Guys will connect the cord according to the outlet..so it stays 3 prong until someone comes with a 4 prong cord..
Most everyone I know would say 10-3 supply, Since you said you changed outlet why not cord, It's not expensive. It should have been done. If you are an electrician than you are not most appliance guys and should not have been involved in the first place. If you saw the 3 wire, excuse me 4 wire supply why didn't you upgrade it then instead of replacing the 3 wire outlet. Dryer cords are cheap and If you were being paid to change outlet why not do it then and do it right. I am sorry but I am a hard ass 40 year veteran and when I see or hear this kind of thing it makes me cringe. This was all basic stuff, I just could not let it go so I had to make my say. I'm sorry if you are offended but it seems that you lack the experience to troubleshoot. I know many "electricians" all they know is pull wires.
No worries, you didn't offend me, but it seems hard to you all that 3 if fine..whats the point in having it bonded..but again,and again..they have a new dryer running on a 3 prong cord, 3 prong is very common out here, if its not broke don't fix it...
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No worries, you didn't offend me, but it seems hard to you all that 3 if fine..whats the point in having it bonded..but again,and again..they have a new dryer running on a 3 prong cord, 3 prong is very common out here, if its not broke don't fix it...
Mr. Ben I think the whole thing started because of a bad description of what happened and so on. It is hard to read between the lines. We are happy to help but the problem has to be clear and concise when posting. We are not there so it has to be conveyed like we were there. I you go back over thread you will see what I mean. It was not intended to be a gravy vs sauce thing just that in the case of a 3 wire when there was the neutral was in question. Understand your point. A case in point for the 4 wire: A couple weeks ago a colleague was working on a 65 foot Christmas tree putting finishing touches. Called me and said tree is hot. Mind you there are several hundred outlets in this thing fed by 34 outlets on 50A 240V panel with contactor controlled by timer. Ended up 120 volts on entire tree (its all steel with artificial green) somewhere there was a back-feed on neutral so breaker wouldn't trip. The frame of the tree was also grounded. I hope you got my point on 3 and 4 wire. Ground is not a neutral. Have many more stories relating to this.
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This electrician knows that it don't really matter. 3 or 4 if that's what's there that's what I'm going back with, I don't give any thought to up selling things..most houses here are 3 prong outlets, and I reiterate most houses..only new or rewired are 4 prong, again 3 prong is fine out This way..stop being hung up on the outlet, did you not see that I said they have a new dryer up and running on a 3 prong outlet??
There is a reason 3 wire outlets are no longer allowed. A new dry might have fixed the issue but from what you described it most likely didn't and whoever hooked the cord to the new one might have done it wrong or the new one has plastic in it somewhere keeping it from doing it again. I would be worried that the issue is still there.

It caught fire twice and you haven't found what the issue was that caused it.
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