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Old 07-16-2016, 08:11 AM   #1
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A few weeks ago I had a defective AFCI breaker fresh out of the box. Yesterday I watched a standard 15 amp BR hum and spark and destroy itself on short circuit.

Am I just unlucky?
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Old 07-16-2016, 08:24 AM   #2
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I've had one bad Eaton AFCI. Only installed 5 to 10 of them.
High rate of failure or small sampling error?
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Old 07-16-2016, 08:28 AM   #3
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CH is much better stuff.
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CH is much better stuff.
Yes it is, I prefer the copper buss over aluminum any day.
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I've had one bad Eaton AFCI. Only installed 5 to 10 of them.
High rate of failure or small sampling error?
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Me too. My sample size is small. I only do Eaton if it's there already. My standard is Siemens with a QO upsell.
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My SH only stocks CH and I've never had any major problems in 10 years. I've had a bad AFCI once or twice but that's it
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if the breaker destroyed itself, it may have been doing it's job (ex.: 20,000 on a 10,000).

I'm sure it's more likely that you are correct (it was crap), though, notwithstanding)

I guess when you are using the cheapest line of any manufacturer, it is always going to be a race to the bottom, though (even though you would think, in this case, they wouldn't want the liability issue)
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Sure, but it's just so expensive.

In my experience, CH BR is just fine.

Siemens/Murray is my normal choice.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with CH BR, but I don't use it much.

When I was wiring new homes, we would find one or two bad AFCI a month. We were installing about 14 a week (2 houses). That was pretty irritating.
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Our shop uses copper bussed panels as much as possible, there are plenty of copper bussed alternatives to the Eaton BR.
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I use BR almost exclusively. They work fine . I don't understand the bash, but then again I also have a GB 1/2'' pipe bender and love it.
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Our shop uses copper bussed panels as much as possible, there are plenty of copper bussed alternatives to the Eaton BR.
I avoid Copper bus panels as much as I can because I enjoy profit.

If a panel has been thoroughly tested and UL listed, what does it matter what the bus is made of?
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I avoid Copper bus panels as much as I can because I enjoy profit.

If a panel has been thoroughly tested and UL listed, what does it matter what the bus is made of?
It's a selling feature, upgrade to an aluminum bus, that you can charge more for and make higher margins.

Good, better, best...
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It's a selling feature, upgrade to an aluminum bus, that you can charge more for and make higher margins.

Good, better, best...
Generally its peanuts of an upgrade, so I don't get it. Easier to sell them a whole house surge and make a fast 250 bucks profit on that one.
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It's a selling feature, upgrade to an aluminum bus, that you can charge more for and make higher margins.

Good, better, best...
I can sell an aluminum bus as being better than copper just the same, customers don't know the difference.
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i can sell an aluminum bus as being better than copper just the same, my customers don't know the difference.
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Some people, you just mention copper over alum, and their heads start nodding up and down. They already agree with you before you're done talking.

It's like led lights over regular incand floods.

Or hubble over P&S in my case...
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I avoid Copper bus panels as much as I can because I enjoy profit.

If a panel has been thoroughly tested and UL listed, what does it matter what the bus is made of?
I see too many burned stabs in aluminum bussed panels to feel good about installing one regardless of what tests UL may have put it through.

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I can sell an aluminum bus as being better than copper just the same, customers don't know the difference.
It doesn't matter to me that our customers most likely won't know the difference unless I point it out, but I know the difference.

When I bid projects, I'm not interested in selling an aluminum bussed panel for a copper panel price just to squeeze a few more dollars out of a project. There are ways to squeeze more profit out of a job, but I'm not willing to sacrifice on the panel to do it.

To each their own.
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I see too many burned stabs in aluminum bussed panels to feel good about installing one regardless of what tests UL may have put it through.
I haven't heard nor seen this epidemic.

This reminds me of talking to a Chicago electrician who tells me that the only way to run wiring in a house is inside of pipe, anything else is unsafe.
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I haven't heard nor seen this epidemic.

This reminds me of talking to a Chicago electrician who tells me that the only way to run wiring in a house is inside of pipe, anything else is unsafe.
Hack, I know you like to stir $hit up so lumping me into the category with guys who think all houses need to be piped is fine.

It only tells me you haven't experienced the service calls I've had and in your head it somehow makes it untrue according to you.

You should try keeping an open mind, there is more to the world than just the electrical in N.J.
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