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AdamNH 02-18-2015 03:39 PM

Education questions
 
Hi guys,

I have a few questions about the classes Rockwell automation/ Allen Bradley offer.

Has anyone gone these classes? I hear they typically last between 2-4 days. They also offer the same classes online.

Has anyone taken both the online classes and in class lecture classes?

Which ones was better? Is it worth the money?

Any feedback you can give me would be greatly appreciated. I just got a job as a inhouse electrician at a food processing plant. I have always wanted to get trained on PLC's and wanted to know if this is worth it.

Anything you can tell me about the classes would help a bunch!

thanks in advance

Black Dog 02-18-2015 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamNH (Post 1681001)
Hi guys,

I have a few questions about the classes Rockwell automation/ Allen Bradley offer.

Has anyone gone these classes? I hear they typically last between 2-4 days. They also offer the same classes online.

Has anyone taken both the online classes and in class lecture classes?

Which ones was better? Is it worth the money?

Any feedback you can give me would be greatly appreciated. I just got a job as a inhouse electrician at a food processing plant. I have always wanted to get trained on PLC's and wanted to know if this is worth it.

Anything you can tell me about the classes would help a bunch!

thanks in advance

I'll bet many have...it depends how much money it is...

Michigan Master 02-18-2015 07:54 PM

If you can manage it I'd say in-person would probably be better because they're more likely to have computers with PLC trainers setup so you can get some actual hands-on time.

I've taken an Allen Bradley course from Rockwell Automation but it was only like maybe 4 hours. Our employer brought them in-house so I don't know what it cost, but it was worth the time. The intent of the class wasn't to teach PLC programming, but to teach us their software as we use primarily Proficy from GE. They brought trainers in so that we could play around doing some in-class labs.

Our local community college also offers PLC and advanced PLC classes. They also use AB and have simulation software setup for labs. If your employer doesn't pay for seminars but offers tuition assistance you might want to look into this type of option.

Lep 02-18-2015 08:00 PM

Check your local community college I think it's more comprehensive.

51360 02-18-2015 11:22 PM

Took some classroom courses many moons ago at the Rockwell Automation centre in Cambridge, Ontario. Employer paid for the trip, and the courses.

Excellent experience! :thumbsup:

Borgi

xpertpc 02-18-2015 11:55 PM

The online classes are best suited for the experienced users who only need to learn tips and tricks so to say.

As far as the 2 dozen or so in person classes I took with Rockwell over the last 20 years were very comprehensive and fast paced, with my only complaint being the advanced classes had too many beginners that slowed the class down to almost uselessness.

A class on advanced indexed addressing would be reduced to a day of how to make a data file - most just slept away $3500.

AdamNH 02-19-2015 11:21 AM

wow thanks for the input guys.

Yea I can see how people slow it down. Im pretty decent with computers. Most people consider me a computer wiz but im really not. I just know how to do more then a word doc....

I live around Manchester NH. There are 2 community colleges that I have been looking at. One offers a 2 year Robotic and automation engineering degree. My company will reimburse around 6,000 a year for grades over a C.

Here is the link to the program I am looking at
https://www.nhti.edu/academics/progr...on-engineering

It only has 1 class on PLC. But looks pretty good. I already have all the core classes done from a previous degree. Except the physics 1 and 2. I took a HS level physics class and did very well.

What do you guys think?

xpertpc 02-19-2015 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamNH (Post 1683625)
One offers a 2 year Robotic and automation engineering degree

Don't let that word "engineer" go to your head as there is no such thing in a 2 year college, they just embellish names so you buy into it, kinda the same with the sanitation engineer who got title in lieu of pay.

Real engineers take umbrage to the bandying about of their title like it was ill gotten tripe.

AdamNH 02-19-2015 01:03 PM

I don't need advice on "letting things go to my head"

For some reason whenever somebody mentions college here people always get weird.

Im looking for advice on education choices. They are not embellishing names. After the 2 years you can continue right to UNH and get a 4 year degree.

bobelectric 02-19-2015 01:19 PM

That's why we have 2 year colleges here. Get your basic classes done cheaper and roll them into the 3 & 4 year at a 4 year college.Why carry a big loan burden?

51360 02-19-2015 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by xpertpc (Post 1683665)
Don't let that word "engineer" go to your head as there is no such thing in a 2 year college, they just embellish names so you buy into it, kinda the same with the sanitation engineer who got title in lieu of pay.

Real engineers take umbrage to the bandying about of their title like it was ill gotten tripe.

I agree, but on a lighter side.

I worked with a guy whose partner was actually an Electrical Engineer in China before immigrating to Canada. When this guy referred to his partner, he would say, " my partner, ( insert name ), is an engineer, toot toot " and pretended he was pulling on a train whistle. :eek:

:laughing:

His partner always laughed and didn't seem to care. They worked well together! :thumbsup:

Borgi

xpertpc 02-19-2015 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamNH (Post 1683929)
I don't need advice on "letting things go to my head"

I will absolutely guarantee that after six weeks of that class you will be telling every girl you meet from here to eternity that you are an engineer.

but that was not my point, it was only a bit of forewarning on inflated titles that schools try to charge more for, they know about egos and profit handsomely from it.

Many states are suing them for fraud or taking away their accreditation, its in the news weekly.

Not all 4 year colleges will take your 2 year college credits at face value, 68 credits may turn into 34 credits, they don't want you to test out, they want your money. You also only have a certain time limit to carry over your credits.

51360 02-19-2015 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by xpertpc (Post 1684145)
I will absolutely guarantee that after six weeks of that class you will be telling every girl you meet from here to eternity that you are an engineer.

but that was not my point, it was only a bit of forewarning on inflated titles that schools try to charge more for, they know about egos and profit handsomely from it.

Many states are suing them for fraud or taking away their accreditation, its in the news weekly.

Not all 4 year colleges will take your 2 year college credits at face value, 68 credits may turn into 34 credits, they don't want you to test out, they want your money. You also only have a certain time limit to carry over your credits.

Same in Canada, kinda. ;)

At one time you could graduate from a three year " electronic engineering technology " college diploma course, and transfer into the third year of a four year engineering degree program at some universities.

That was over ten years ago, and no longer available as far as I know. You can transfer in, but at the entry level, with some credits. Apparently some students struggled to catch up, especially with the math.

Still always good to educate yourself. :thumbsup:

AdamNH 02-20-2015 04:17 PM

Ok, let me put it this way....

If I told somebody I was an engineer and then they found out I only went to school for only 2 years I would be a years I would feel like a FOOL.

And I am from the North East. We are known for our great education. This isn't a clown college and Im not worried about the ABECT or whatever its called accreditation being taken away

AdamNH 02-20-2015 04:23 PM

I will be a "real" engineer after I transfer and finish, so I can wait to brag about it

nrp3 02-20-2015 07:44 PM

A good friend of mine did the two year thing at one of the tech colleges here and went on to UNH. He's now semi retired at 45. Not typical, but how you use it, the people you meet, the effort you put it, determines a lot.


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