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Old 09-16-2013, 11:28 AM   #41
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This is the professional method. I use this of course and it passes





why are you wasting an additional screw, I'd fire you?

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Old 09-16-2013, 07:41 PM   #42
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If you're really careful, I guess you could just drive one long screw through the SER and save the piece of romex also.
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If you're really careful, I guess you could just drive one long screw through the SER and save the piece of romex also.
That would be a clear violation, the NM is not.

Personally I would use staples but all you haters on the NM strap are going just by looks and not by effectiveness.
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Personally I would use staples but all you haters on the NM strap are going just by looks and not by effectiveness.
When you're right, you're right. Romex strapping is as effective as hand tightening locknuts. Both work just fine.
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When you're right, you're right. Romex strapping is as effective as hand tightening locknuts. Both work just fine.


Not at all, but you do what makes you feel cool.
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Not at all, but you do what makes you feel cool.
Code compliant
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Code compliant
Nope ... unless you are removing the paint first.


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paint, lacquer, and enamel) on equipment to be grounded shall
be removed from threads and other contact surfaces to ensure
good electrical continuity or be connected by means of fittings
designed so as to make such removal unnecessary.
Nothing on the connector will cut into the paint if hand tight.


Now you are more than free to ignore this but an inspector could fail you on it and you would not have a leg to stand on.


Well see ya for a while, off to work.
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Nope ... unless you are removing the paint first.
The little teeth pierce/scratch it, that's what they are made for.
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Now you are more than free to ignore this but an inspector could fail you on it and you would not have a leg to stand on.
Impossible.
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Lol ! Use bubble gum if you want , I could care less . I'll use the proper strap and still make money in the process . Not everyone wants the cheapest install that barely squeaks through an inspection ( if there is one ) .
And those who specify they don't want the cheapest install possible get what they request. Those who want the cheapest install possible get the NM strap. Horses for courses.

FWIW, this doesn't "barely squeak through". Something either complies or doesn't. I've never been graded in an inspection.

You seem to have a lot of energy around this. I've never used romex to hang cable, but I certainly understand that it's code compliant and it does work (I've seen really old jobs done this way) and last.
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it does work (I've seen really old jobs done this way) and last.
i was in a old cottage and the guy who wired the place used roofing nails in between the ground and hot or neutral. did a very neat and tidy job too.
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i was in a old cottage and the guy who wired the place used roofing nails in between the ground and hot or neutral. did a very neat and tidy job too.

While it apparently worked and possibly lasted, it wouldn't be code-compliant because it damaged the cable.
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While it apparently worked and possibly lasted, it wouldn't be code-compliant because it damaged the cable.
it does work and still lasts. I wasnt at work at the time, i just looked at it and chuckled. definately wouldnt pass.
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For a longer run of medium size SER cable, what is your favorite method of support? In this situation, about 80' long run under wood joists above a drop ceiling.

Install bridal rings and then pull thru them? Or pull the SER and then use large staples to support afterwards?

PVC straps.
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Why would that stop you from using SER cable?
I don't know. We just don't see it down in this part of Florida.
30+ years in the trade, I have never installed it.
Thousands of service calls, maybe have seen it once or twice in older small houses.
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And those who specify they don't want the cheapest install possible get what they request. Those who want the cheapest install possible get the NM strap. Horses for courses.

FWIW, this doesn't "barely squeak through". Something either complies or doesn't. I've never been graded in an inspection.

You seem to have a lot of energy around this. I've never used romex to hang cable, but I certainly understand that it's code compliant and it does work (I've seen really old jobs done this way) and last.
Not really , but when I see something half assed like a scrap piece of Romex being used as something they make specifically for the purpose , I don't get it , nor will I do it . To each his own , besides the NEC is minimum standards anyway , lol ? I'll start saving my old worn out shoelaces for you and Cletis if you want ?
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The inspectors around here will fail if the romex in that picture has any conductors inside the sheath, cause they feel that it creates a transformer coil wrapped around the other cable like that once the current flows in the ser......
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I guess theres nothing wrong with the romex sheath, as it is pretty durable and wont deterioate easy. However Ive got a feeling it would be frowed upon around here.
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I guess theres nothing wrong with the romex sheath, as it is pretty durable and wont deterioate easy. However Ive got a feeling it would be frowed upon around here.
Exactly ! I can hear the inspector now " you know , they make actual straps for that ? " legal or not , it looks like garbage , and if anyone has a shred of pride in their work , they're not doing that ! Different strokes , I guess ?
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The inspectors around here will fail if the romex in that picture has any conductors inside the sheath, cause they feel that it creates a transformer coil wrapped around the other cable like that once the current flows in the ser......
It's easily tested for output, isn't it? I'd also like to see what article that violates.

Again, for the other naysayers, the point wasn't whether it was pretty or the best method, or recommended. They point was that it's NEC compliant, which it was claimed to not be.
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