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Old 07-13-2017, 01:27 PM   #1
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Default Final connections in service panel.

I have a question regarding touring if wires and connections inside service panel.
If the ground and neutral bus bars are on the sides of the box and you have that small amount of space between panel and busbar, is it allowable to make your connections on that side of the busbar, which would make a cleaner box but I'm sure would be fun making connections.
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Old 07-13-2017, 01:30 PM   #2
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I think he means if the bar is closer to the sides of the box can you make the connections in that small space.

Yes, you can make the connections on either side as long as there is room to bend the conductors.
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For example the locations of the ground and neutral bus bars. There to far outside of panel. Instead of making connections on right side of neutral busbar, can you bring them down left side? Vice versa for ground busbar.
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Yes sir! Sorry for confusion! I try to be as detailed in description.
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I don't ever see it done. Is there a reason? Time consumption?
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It's too tight to bend it in there, takes too much time for no real benefit.
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I don't ever see it done. Is there a reason? Time consumption?
Pretty much. Why would you want to do that?

Like Pete mentioned bending space would most likely be an issue.
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For example the locations of the ground and neutral bus bars. There to far outside of panel. Instead of making connections on right side of neutral busbar, can you bring them down left side? Vice versa for ground busbar.
Marrettes in a new panel ? measure twice and cut once as my incharge used to say before smacking me around my ears ! Good old days !
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I think that's just a stock photo, if not, WTF...

Still, WTF?
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I have done it in an old panel when there were just too many neutral wires in a spaghetti heap to slip the new ground or neutral neatly into place. Especially a bare ground; I don't want that "floating" above a mess of wires where it could accidently move and touch a hot location. Or rearranging a panel where maybe someone double tapped and did something else that makes me want to move things around. It may be easy to take the neutral or ground out of the bus bar, but difficult to put in into the new spot (to be honest, I would rarely feel it necessary to move the neutral or ground if I were just dealing with a double tap ...unless for some reason it had to go to the other side of the panel and i had to move the whole wire).
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The splices in the panel is not an issue however, look at the number of EGC's in the conduits.

Considering that and the open KO's it must be part of a rework.

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Wiring up a full panel in class. Next week I'll get some pics and let you all critique? Be gentle! You guys can be hurtful!
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The pic of the panel was to reference the locations of busbars and the connections from behind I was referring to.
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I think that's just a stock photo, if not, WTF...

Still, WTF?
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Wiring up a full panel in class. Next week I'll get some pics and let you all critique? Be gentle! You guys can be hurtful!
...not hurtful, but 'critique-al'...

...it's less hurtful than monetary penalization from an AHJ d!ckhead.
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consistently blows me away the pictures that people throw up on google to "show off" their "neat" tie ins to promote their shop or whatever.

you'd get laughed off site around here with that dogs breakfast. (btw OP i know that's not your tie in)
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