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Old 03-03-2019, 05:38 PM   #241
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@JasonCo, what do we do now? Should we install twistlock receptacle everywhere? So many lives are in danger!

He'll want bubble covers on all interior receptacles.
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Old 03-03-2019, 05:42 PM   #242
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@HackWork , Sigh... This has nothing to do with "apprentice thinking he knows it all" mentality. This is something that actually happened, and I am debating with people who refuse to believe it. You STILL refuse to answer the fantasy scenario I saw with my own eyes, you are saying it's theoretically impossible by calling it a fantasy. Even though it actually happened lol. Everything I have stated is possible. Arc flash is possible, heat produced from it is possible, a fire is possible, specially with cloths pushed up against the receptacle. A male end of a plug sticking out the outlet is possible. Somehow to you this is all fantasy. I can't argue anymore lol, like how can I debate with someone who ignores physics and just calls it all a fantasy...
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@HackWork , Sigh... This has nothing to do with "apprentice thinking he knows it all" mentality. This is something that actually happened, and I am debating with people who refuse to believe it. You STILL refuse to answer the fantasy scenario I saw with my own eyes, you are saying it's theoretically impossible by calling it a fantasy. Even though it actually happened lol. Everything I have stated is possible. Arc flash is possible, heat produced from it is possible, a fire is possible, specially with cloths pushed up against the receptacle. A male end of a plug sticking out the outlet is possible. Somehow to you this is all fantasy. I can't argue anymore lol, like how can I debate with someone who ignores physics and just calls it all a fantasy...
I never said it was impossible, quite the opposite actually. You are ranting and raving instead of reading and learning. THAT is why I mentioned the know-it-all apprentice mentality.
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You guys are just getting stupid with this now, we're all wasting our time. lol. I'm over this haha, I agree to disagree with whoever. End of story. This is like one of 500 threads on the internet with the same argument lol. Here:



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You guys are just getting stupid with this now, we're all wasting our time. lol. I'm over this haha, I agree to disagree with whoever. End of story. This is like one of 500 threads on the internet with the same argument lol. Here:



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As I mentioned earlier, you will also find 500 threads on the internet with people justifying taping wirenuts on.

But the professionals know the truth.

One day, hopefully, you will be a professional. But only if you give up this attitude.
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I never said it was impossible, quite the opposite actually. You are ranting and raving instead of reading and learning. THAT is why I mentioned the know-it-all apprentice mentality.
Umm I'm pretty sure you called it a "FANTASY scenario"... Oh now you are changing your mind. So now it is an actual scenario that could happen. Okay, we are getting somewhere. So the fact that it COULD happen would lead me to believe that ground up is .00001% safer? If you can't agree with this then you are now contradicting yourself.

Edit: What attitude? I am debating a real scenario that happened to me that up until this point, you have been calling it a fantasy scenario. o_0

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I just did an experiment dropping a metal hanger on a receptacle with the prongs slightly hanging out.

My whole family is dead, died in the explosion. Three blocks in all directions have been burnt to a crisp. I only survived by the fact I was holding the ground pin at the time of the experiment.
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I just did an experiment dropping a metal hanger on a receptacle with the prongs slightly hanging out.

My whole family is dead, died in the explosion. Three blocks in all directions have been burnt to a crisp. I only survived by the fact I was holding the ground pin at the time of the experiment.
Sorry for your loss
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The worst part is I can't remember if I conducted the experiment with the ground up or down?

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I was called out to troubleshoot and fix a problem this photography company had with one of their receptacles. I get there, The cloths hanger is pushed to the side from where it was originally placed at. Their wall is black all around the receptacle, some of their cloths has smoke/burns on them, the receptacle is black, the cover is black. The male prongs coming off of the fan has arc shorted out marks on the hot and neutral prongs. The cloths hanger has scorch marks on it. I'm pretty ****ing sure you can put 2 and 2 together? I didn't ****ing day dream this lol. If your argument is that I'm simply making this up, then tell me so I can leave, we are all wasting our time haha
so this fan had a ground prong on its cord?

It obviously did not as none of them do.

So even in this very rare situation you saw, regardless of how the receptacle was oriented, the same thing would have happened right?
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We all getting too carried away. Switched burning down his house, Helmut being Helmut, me realizing my reality is just a fantasy. We're all screwed, no one wins in the end.
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No, it’s only you who lost.
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The worst part is I can't remember if I conducted the experiment with the ground up or down?

OK, fine. I’ll try it. I don’t care much about the prostitute in the bathroom.
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so this fan had a ground prong on its cord?

It obviously did not as none of them do.

So even in this very rare situation you saw, regardless of how the receptacle was oriented, the same thing would have happened right?
Literally the first image that pulled up that actually showed a cord. This is the type of fan they were using. I guess to get the whole hair/cloths blowing affect when taking the pictures...



Exact type of fan they had, does that not have a ground prong. SMH
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Literally the first image that pulled up that actually showed a cord. This is the type of fan they were using. I guess to get the whole hair/cloths blowing affect when taking the pictures...



Exact type of fan they had, does that not have a ground prong. SMH
Ok, but you do realize that a ground prong is rare on most things right?

And even in your very rare situation, there was no fire, the fire alarms did not go off, no one was injured etc. So why do you feel it is so important to always have ground up?

Did you replace every outlet in that place to ground up when that happened as well?
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Literally the first image that pulled up that actually showed a cord. This is the type of fan they were using. I guess to get the whole hair/cloths blowing affect when taking the pictures...



Exact type of fan they had, does that not have a ground prong. SMH
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Do you realize 99% of electrical devices have no ground prong? Take a look at everything connected to your receptacles - practically nothing's grounded. So position of the receptacle is moot, either way a slim piece of metal will have the same result.
Oh the horror!! (Thanks for pointing this out lawnguy)

@JasonCo, what do we do now? Should we install twistlock receptacles everywhere? So many lives are in danger! [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.electriciantalk.com/images/smilies/surprise.png[/IMG]

Seriously, why can you not see that this is not an issue?

Yes, you saw it happen and it burnt the wall a bit but there was no fire, no lives were lost. Again if it were an issue it would be against code
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@JasonCo, what do we do now? Should we install twistlock receptacle everywhere? So many lives are in danger! [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.electriciantalk.com/images/smilies/surprise.png[/IMG]

He'll want bubble covers on all interior receptacles.
I'm thinking he will want twist lock receptacles AND locking bubble covers on everything. Oh and for those receptacles that are too big for a bubble cover, pin and sleeve.

He is also starting to sound like a broken record. Maybe he is a bot and not a human?
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I just did an experiment dropping a metal hanger on a receptacle with the prongs slightly hanging out.

My whole family is dead, died in the explosion. Three blocks in all directions have been burnt to a crisp. I only survived by the fact I was holding the ground pin at the time of the experiment.
Do you work for PG&E maybe ?
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Do you work for PG&E maybe ?
I live in Paradise, but maybe only in my mind.
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72-110 (3) When mounted in other than a horizontal plane, receptacles shall be oriented so that the U-ground slot is uppermost.
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