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Old 09-12-2019, 06:24 PM   #1
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We all know about the wafer/pancake lights and how easy they are to install because they fit under framing. But some people don't like the flat look and want the recessed baffle look.

These new lights from Halo give you that look while being much easier than installing full recessed old work cans with those horrible clips that you have to hammer up. These new ones have spring clips like the wafer lights and install the same way. They are 2" deep to give that recessed look. Selectable color temperature too. $30 for 4" or 6":

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Halo-RL-...HDMR/306673240

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I like it ! Thanks for the suggestion as i dislike the 90s shower trim look of wafer lights.
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We all know about the wafer/pancake lights and how easy they are to install because they fit under framing. But some people don't like the flat look and want the recessed baffle look.

These new lights from Halo give you that look while being much easier than installing full recessed old work cans with those horrible clips that you have to hammer up. These new ones have spring clips like the wafer lights and install the same way. They are 2" deep to give that recessed look. Selectable color temperature too. $30 for 4" or 6":

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Halo-RL-...HDMR/306673240

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I like it ! Thanks for the suggestion as i dislike the 90s shower trim look of wafer lights.
I'm not going to say that I like the look of the wafer/pancake light, but I LOVE the fact that I can drill a hole anywhere int he ceiling and install them, even if it's directly under a joist.

This new light in the OP needs to be laid out carefully like the old fashioned recessed light. But not having to install that horrible old-work can is awesome. I hated installing those. These new ones just clip in. And being 2" deep (meaning only 1.5" into the joist space) they will fit under the insulation and obstructions.
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Where have you been?
NDR has been making these for a few years.
There is even a gimbel unit
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Not a game changer in my opinion.

I might as well install a recess can, that way a customer can have any variety of trim they like.

Like the one in my entry way. It’s not even LED.

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Where have you been?
NDR has been making these for a few years.
There is even a gimbel unit
I have never seen a hybrid like this. I never heard of NDR either, maybe it is a Canadian company like Lotus?
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I just put six of those in today. Had a bit of a time finding the wiring I had left up in the ceiling. Seems the carpenters did a little "hide & seek" with them. Kinda pissed me off but I got over it. Sometimes it good when there is no one around to hear what you're thinking with your outside voice, LOL.
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I have never seen a hybrid like this. I never heard of NDR either, maybe it is a Canadian company like Lotus?
Quite possible

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Not a game changer in my opinion.

I might as well install a recess can, that way a customer can have any variety of trim they like.
I get it if you want to give them that ability.

For me, my customers want the baffled LED trims and to never have to touch them again. So that is why I’m so happy about these being available. I really hate putting in old work cans.
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Hack did you ever install lightolier remodel cans? They do need romex connectors but you would love how they clip in. Vastly superior to halos beat the clip BS, you just use your fingers. I hate those clips so much i just lay in new work cans from the attic. And i now will pass on the drill blind through joists to snake in from underneath with no attic access. Too risky imho.
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Nope, I have never used that style can. And now I never have to

It’s very rare that I have access above when installing recessed lights.
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Totally not on the level of “game changer”. But a nice option.
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Totally not on the level of “game changer”. But a nice option.
LOL, I know, I was a little excited when saying that.

The reason why this changes things for me is because I no longer have any reason to install a conventional can style old work recessed light. I’ll continue to use the wafer lights for most installations, and when I get a customer that wants the recessed baffle look I can use these.
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The razor/wafer lights are a true game changer as far as ease of installation goes. However, I think they are a step backwards as far as aesthetics go. I think the glare and brightness are too high with them, and I find the flat look to be ugly. So I like the Halo baffled ones even though they require the tedious layout. That being said, if I hit a joist, I'll just cut it out of the way. 2" of wood removed is not going to make a difference.
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The razor/wafer lights are a true game changer as far as ease of installation goes. However, I think they are a step backwards as far as aesthetics go. I think the glare and brightness are too high with them, and I find the flat look to be ugly. So I like the Halo baffled ones even though they require the tedious layout. That being said, if I hit a joist, I'll just cut it out of the way. 2" of wood removed is not going to make a difference.
I'm doing a high end house right now with all wafer lights because that is what the designer requested. The homeowner likes the way they look too.


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So I like the Halo baffled ones even though they require the tedious layout. That being said, if I hit a joist, I'll just cut it out of the way. 2" of wood removed is not going to make a difference.
I would notch blocking or cross bracing or the random piece of plywood or nailer that you find in ceilings. But I wouldn’t take 2 inches out of a joist.
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I would notch blocking or cross bracing or the random piece of plywood or nailer that you find in ceilings. But I wouldn’t take 2 inches out of a joist.

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I'm doing a high end house right now with all wafer lights because that is what the designer requested. The homeowner likes the way they look too.
To each their own, I'll obviously always try to go for the wafer lights since they are easy to install. My dislike for them is irrelevant on the job. If the customer likes them then it's a no brainer.
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Not a game changer in my opinion.

I might as well install a recess can, that way a customer can have any variety of trim they like.

Like the one in my entry way. It’s not even LED.


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