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Old 08-13-2019, 11:59 AM   #11541
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Hotel kitchen.
In restaurants and supermarkets, I have seen numerous
[Electricity + Water + Grease = Loosening Connection = Heat] =

1). Burned out receptacle & cord cap, or

2). Burned out receptacle & cord cap + Fire


Then there are the overheated in-slab conduit and conductors in supermarkets and/or "box stores", where they use far too much floor wax and it builds up in the pipe and sometimes catches fire. Boy, does that stink.


And in restaurants those industrial-strength multi coffee maker stations, where no matter how heavy duty and $$ their SO cable, receptacles, and cord caps were, they all wind up being welded together at the outlet box..



I can't say that overall, the job ever got to be very boring, thanks to all this manner of fun stuff.
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In restaurants and supermarkets, I have seen numerous
[Electricity + Water + Grease = Loosening Connection = Heat] =

1). Burned out receptacle & cord cap, or

2). Burned out receptacle & cord cap + Fire


Then there are the overheated in-slab conduit and conductors in supermarkets and/or "box stores", where they use far too much floor wax and it builds up in the pipe and sometimes catches fire. Boy, does that stink.


And in restaurants those industrial-strength multi coffee maker stations, where no matter how heavy duty and $$ their SO cable, receptacles, and cord caps were, they all wind up being welded together at the outlet box..



I can't say that overall, the job ever got to be very boring, thanks to all this manner of fun stuff.


Oh commercial kitchens are always fun, more fun if you don't get blasted just moving something to get access.

The roll around warmers in hotels and banquet halls always have cordage or plug cap issues.
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As a side note in the Code simplified book for Canada (and homeowners) no where in it does it say to twist the wires when splicing.
Somethings are done old school, and somethings done new.
Twist with linesmen, you know its done. By driver or no pre-twist, surprise.
It's an argument that will go on as long as (I hate to say this) ground up/ground down
For some reason in the CEC they diagramed it ground up at one point but that an easy one, ground down so it's the last thing that falls out of the socket.

One hole straps, hole up it handles sheer force better. A guy proved that one in drywall to me one day, if a screw loosens a tick with vibration the conduit becomes a lever if it's screw down.

That ought to light things up 😄
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One hole straps, hole up it handles sheer force better. A guy proved that one in drywall to me one day, if a screw loosens a tick with vibration the conduit becomes a lever if it's screw down.
Geez, I have a physics degree and that one just blew my mind. I always went hole down, but the explanation about loosening makes perfect sense - hole down means the looser it gets, the faster it loosens. Hole up, it stays the same.
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For some reason in the CEC they diagramed it ground up at one point but that an easy one, ground down so it's the last thing that falls out of the socket.

One hole straps, hole up it handles sheer force better. A guy proved that one in drywall to me one day, if a screw loosens a tick with vibration the conduit becomes a lever if it's screw down.

That ought to light things up 😄

Ground up/down should be a bannable offense! LOL!


That's a close second to 'sauce' or 'gravy' on Italian sites.
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Ground up/down should be a bannable offense! LOL!


That's a close second to 'sauce' or 'gravy' on Italian sites.
What are you, crazy?

If it has meat (fat) in it, it's gravy!
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What are you, crazy?

If it has meat (fat) in it, it's gravy!


It's tomato sauce and I don't care if it has bodies in it!

Calling sauce 'gravy' comes down to a bunch of ignorant WOPS that settled in northern NJ and lower NY years ago, as a half Sicci I can say that and not be racist!
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It's tomato sauce and I don't care if it has bodies in it!

Calling sauce 'gravy' comes down to a bunch of ignorant WOPS that settled in northern NJ and lower NY years ago, as a half Sicci I can say that and not be racist!
When I was a kid I asked a guy what WOP meant and he said it was what sh%t sounded like when thrown against the wall. Thought I would die laughing.
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When I was a kid I asked a guy what WOP meant and he said it was what sh%t sounded like when thrown against the wall. Thought I would die laughing.

That's bad!

It was the Italian version of undocumented working class people.
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That's bad!

It was the Italian version of undocumented working class people.
On a serious note, I believe it was the abbreviation for “Without Papers” and at the point of immigration this was stamped on the arrivals’ newly created immigration form. The stamp was “WOP”.
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On a serious note, I believe it was the abbreviation for “Without Papers” and at the point of immigration this was stamped on the arrivals’ newly created immigration form. The stamp was “WOP”.
Exactly what I'd read many times.

'Undocumented'
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It's tomato sauce and I don't care if it has bodies in it!

Calling sauce 'gravy' comes down to a bunch of ignorant WOPS that settled in northern NJ and lower NY years ago, as a half Sicci I can say that and not be racist!
Making "Sauce" with the family next weekend...
Sauce goes on macaroni
Gravy goes on meat
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Ground up/down should be a bannable offense! LOL!


That's a close second to 'sauce' or 'gravy' on Italian sites.
Italians have gravy? New one on me
Tomato gravy just doesn't have the same enticement
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They also had hand carved wooden lights hanging over some of the booths.
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Making "Sauce" with the family next weekend...
Sauce goes on macaroni
Gravy goes on meat


Ahh, it's nice to hear logic...........

Gravy-meat drippings thickened with flour or cornstarch, not a damn thing like a tomato based sauce.

Knew I liked you for a reason!

Now a hard question: have you ever had pork skin braciole?
That's really Sicilian!!
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Tomato gravy just doesn't have the same enticement
Let me preface this by saying my father was born and raised in Sicily and came here as a young teen, his mom my Nonna only made truly Sicilian foods, never any American influence.


I moved to NJ to live as a kid and I found out a relatively small group of Italians and Sicilians from north Jersey like to call tomato sauce gravy.

It's a thing that come sup on Italian cooking pages all the time.

I think it's the most idiotic ignorant argument there is.

Tomato sauce is a sauce regardless if it has clams, beef, lamb, pork, or any other protein in it, still sauce!
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Let me preface this by saying my father was born and raised in Sicily and came here as a young teen, his mom my Nonna only made truly Sicilian foods, never any American influence.


I moved to NJ to live as a kid and I found out a relatively small group of Italians and Sicilians from north Jersey like to call tomato sauce gravy.

It's a thing that come sup on Italian cooking pages all the time.

I think it's the most idiotic ignorant argument there is.

Tomato sauce is a sauce regardless if it has clams, beef, lamb, pork, or any other protein in it, still sauce!
My family is all Italian, all 4 grandparents were off the boat. The whole family resided in Newark back before the riots when it was Italians.

All of my family and Italian friends call it gravy.

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I agree, anyone who turns this into an argument is very ignorant and idiotic. Sauce, gravy, WTF cares?
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I agree, anyone who turns this into an argument is very ignorant and idiotic. Sauce, gravy, WTF cares?
I'm in some cooking groups and some of these people will just about go to the mattresses over this, lol!

My second wife was 100% Italian from Ironbound section of Newark, she was the one that stabbed me.....I'd never do that again........ cappa d'aosta!
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My family is all Italian, all 4 grandparents were off the boat. The whole family resided in Newark back before the riots when it was Italians.
That makes perfect sense.
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