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Old 04-01-2010, 06:22 PM   #21
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Carbon monoxide suspected in Selden death
(04/01/10) SELDEN (AP) - Police on eastern Long Island are investigating whether carbon monoxide fumes from a generator may have led to the death of a Selden man.
Homicide detectives say the 61-year-old man was found dead inside his home on Thursday afternoon. A contractor doing repairs from a weekend fire found the man dead inside a bedroom.
Detective Sgt. William Lamb says an outside generator was being used to provide electricity to the home, and may have been placed too close to a laundry vent that allowed fumes to seep inside.
He said officials found carbon monoxide levels were nearly 100 times greater than what is normally considered safe. But he said an autopsy would determine the cause of death. Police say the victim, identified as Thomas Melideo, lived alone.
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Old 04-01-2010, 06:25 PM   #22
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Oh, maybe no other workers were around when this happened.

He might have took a nap and never woke up.


Damn...
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Old 04-01-2010, 07:11 PM   #23
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With his age he would be more at risk to die sooner from CO also.
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Here they can't shut off your power in the winter months or if it's below a certain temperature. It's a state law I think.
It ain't winter anymore ....

It's April now, and time for those POCOs to cut off all their delinquent accounts.

Here is a link for the story.
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Old 04-01-2010, 10:46 PM   #25
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Hmm...smells a bit fishy to me. Outside in the air, the fumes just wouldn't migrate into the house....doesn't work that way. And dryer vents close when not operating. Maybe the generator was INSIDE the home for a while.
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Default Update.. why power was turned off

The HO had a fire in the bathroom and the Fire Marshall told the POCO to kill power to the house.

The HO then got a generator so he could have power for parts of the house not affected by the fire.

SOP here is if power is turned off, the HO has to hire a Licensed Electrician who has to notify POCO to turn power back on.

I can see this whole mess winding up in court. There is no reason why the POCO could not just turn off circuit breakers and give the HO 48 hours to have it fixed.

A man didn't have to die over this if only common sense would of been used from the very beginning.
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MN requires CO detectors in single family and multifamily dwelling units. I wonder how many accidents could have been prevented with CO detectors.
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MN requires CO detectors in single family and multifamily dwelling units. I wonder how many accidents could have been prevented with CO detectors.
We require them for new construction only.

Do you have to have them in existing houses also?
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One company I worked for did a lot of fire and flood work. Standard procedure around here is to shut off power, but once we are called in we replace the service or if the service is fine just remove all circuits from the panel and install a bunch of dedicated receptacles next to the panel for temporary power while work goes on. Usually its a combination of 15A, 20A and 30A receptacles depending on the time of year and what kind of equipment the customer needs to run while work goes on.

EDIT: I've been running into a lot of places where I had to install CO detectors, I can't remember the reasoning or the rule though.
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Here they can't shut off your power in the winter months or if it's below a certain temperature. It's a state law I think.

I thought they were just giving me extra time to pay the bill
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We require them for new construction only.

Do you have to have them in existing houses also?
Yes, for apartment buildings and condos. We don't typically do much residential (single family) so I am not sure about existing residential.
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A man didn't have to die over this if only common sense would of been used from the very beginning.
You are right, but commonsense was used right up until the point someone set up a generator too close to the house.

It blows my mind that you want to make the power company responsible for this death.
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It blows my mind that you want to make the power company responsible for this death.
Not the POCO.. the Fire Marshall gave the order and he was following procedure that is in place.

There have been many time a HO has had a lug melted in the meter pan and the POCO takes out the meter and uses H taps to bypass the melted lug.

The difference here is the Fire Department or Fire Marshall was not involved in getting the call.

They put a plastic plate over meter hole and give the business or HO (72) hours to have it repaired or power is cut to structure,

I agree it was dumb to put generator next to house and even the EC doing the repairs saw it running there.

There was no reason to kill the whole house.. POCO touch circuit breakers all the time when doing a service call for no power.

There is no rule that keeps them from going inside of a panel.
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There was no reason to kill the whole house.. POCO touch circuit breakers all the time when doing a service call for no power.
I have never seen the power company touch customer owned breakers.


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There is no rule that keeps them from going inside of a panel.
No rule other than 'not their job' and 'liability the power company would not want'.

Why didn't the home owner have EC come out remove the damaged circuits from the panel, get an inspection and get the power back on?
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No rule other than 'not their job' and 'liability the power company would not want'.

Why didn't the home owner have EC come out remove the damaged circuits from the panel, get an inspection and get the power back on?
The POCO here wants to be customer friendly after the Shorham fiasco which left Long Island with a $6 billion empty power plant.

He was doing that, but in the mean time he has no heat, no light, no refrigerator, no TV.. can't blame him for not wanting power back NOW.

He might of had a generator in his garage he bought for all the storms in the past few months.

It would no surprise me if he ran a cable to the dryer outlet and powered up the panel.

I have had many HO brag to me they do that when I see a 3-wire power cord on top of the generator.

But they kill the main and that makes it safe
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