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Old 11-28-2016, 07:33 PM   #21
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I say we go the other way with this.

Lets run PVC conduit, but only 2 conductors (no ground), then bond the neutral of the USB receptacle to all the metal playground equipment.

That way whenever the parents plug in their phones, the little tykes get a buzz.

That'll learn 'em to trust their gubmint.

Plus, **** 'em if they can't take a joke.

Damn. I don't know why I'm in such a mood. But I'm not sorry.

OK .. that made me laugh
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Old 11-28-2016, 07:54 PM   #22
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This is interesting

An outside receptacle needs GFCI ... but the wiring up to it doesn't. There is a remote possibility that the device box could become live, but the chances of anyone touching it (especially if it is recessed) is quite small.

Now take the OPs example ... Lets say that there are the USB outlets, and also a receptacle ... What about (assuming) the aluminum pole that the 'unprotected' wiring is in. There could be a hazard there.

Nothing comes to mind in CEC that would prohibit this, but I see a valid safety concern.
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This is interesting

An outside receptacle needs GFCI ... but the wiring up to it doesn't. There is a remote possibility that the device box could become live, but the chances of anyone touching it (especially if it is recessed) is quite small.

Now take the OPs example ... Lets say that there are the USB outlets, and also a receptacle ... What about (assuming) the aluminum pole that the 'unprotected' wiring is in. There could be a hazard there.

Nothing comes to mind in CEC that would prohibit this, but I see a valid safety concern.
Yeah, but even when you put a gfci receptacle in a box, the circuit feeding it is not gfci protected until. Stop overthinking this. Bond the metal box, take your money, and put 30 bucks into the bell ringer bucket in the entrance to your neighborhood store. Tis the season to be jolly..
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Yeah, but even when you put a gfci receptacle in a box, the circuit feeding it is not gfci protected until.
That's what I'm talking about. When any receptacle is 'away' from the source building, it probably should be GFCI protected from the source (ie. inside the structure)

I agree that proper bonding would take care of this, but then why GFCI anything in the first place ?
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See post #59 in "gems of the trade".
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I say we go the other way with this.

Lets run PVC conduit, but only 2 conductors (no ground), then bond the neutral of the USB receptacle to all the metal playground equipment.

That way whenever the parents plug in their phones, the little tykes get a buzz.

That'll learn 'em to trust their gubmint.

Plus, **** 'em if they can't take a joke.

Damn. I don't know why I'm in such a mood. But I'm not sorry.
I should've voted for you instead.
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