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Old 09-21-2018, 12:10 PM   #21
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You telling me they haven't figured out how to make a cordless toothbrush or shaver yet?
They make cordless hair dryers but the utility of them leaves a lot to be desired (low heat and short run times).
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Old 09-21-2018, 12:13 PM   #22
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There are cordless everything possible made out there. It's about time to end the requirement for an outlet next to a bathroom sink. Code should only have a rule for a bathroom outlet to be gfi if one is installed there. The part about required should be white'd out. You telling me they haven't figured out how to make a cordless toothbrush or shaver yet?
Living in an area with older houses, I could understand the requirement for an outlet in all bathrooms in new builds, and why it's a safety issue.

Most houses here were built without an outlet in the bathroom since at that time there was nothing to plug in inside of a bathroom. So the homeowners or their handymen either installed a light with a 2 prong outlet, or a combination switch/outlet, neither having GFCI protection. Often I will go into a house to see the cord from the hairdryer draped across the toilet bowl as it runs from the switch location to the vanity.
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In other words, the design gudeline in the code that doesn't even belong there is more important than safety and common sense. That's really outstanding.

I would double up on the GFCI, breaker + receptacle = belt + suspenders. I have a lot of confidence in GFCI but still more in redundant GFCI.
Couldn't that lead to nuisance tripping of one or the other or both, the breaker and the receptacle?
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Living in an area with older houses, I could understand the requirement for an outlet in all bathrooms in new builds, and why it's a safety issue.

Most houses here were built without an outlet in the bathroom since at that time there was nothing to plug in inside of a bathroom. So the homeowners or their handymen either installed a light with a 2 prong outlet, or a combination switch/outlet, neither having GFCI protection. Often I will go into a house to see the cord from the hairdryer draped across the toilet bowl as it runs from the switch location to the vanity.
Yes, but that was so 90's. I got rechargeable drills that will run all day long and not need a recharging yet. I bet the house of the future won't have but one or two receptacle outlets for recharging purposes's and not have them spread all over the house. Someplace to plug in the robot sex slave lady that cooks and cleans all day long while you are out fishing or playing on your VR headset machine.
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I see they're putting carpet in showers now. Looks interesting.
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I think the concern is more about water splash than dropping a hair dryer somewhere. I'd also be concerned about the wet walls and floor.

Install it and blank it off after inspection.

If the HO's want to use it, install it as high as allowed or enclose it in a medicine cabinet or something.
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Couldn't that lead to nuisance tripping of one or the other or both, the breaker and the receptacle?
Yes but that is the price you pay for a receptacle in a shower. Better nuisance tripping than nuisance shocking.
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Some type of shower valve water flow interlock perhaps?
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:34 PM   #29
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I was following the comment along this thread and our location it common to keep the receptales and switches out of the bathroom due it is combation shower and stool room but if you have very large bathroom like what you describing then you can use the switch for the light but no recpectale unless it is wet location which most of the time we dont installed a recepetale in the bathroom at all. this is based on Philippines set up.

that why we keep the switches out of the bathroom for one reason unless you have partion wall then yes you can have switch in there. ( shower drapes or tempory shower wall do not count on this)
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