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Old 08-08-2016, 06:52 PM   #41
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It is now the feed for a receptical in the cabinet for a razor. Does it need to be GFI if it is in the cabinet?????
Not that it matters, but this would not be allowed in Canada.
26-710(h) disallows receptacles in cupboards and cabinets. There
are, of course, exceptions, but this isn't one of them.
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Old 08-08-2016, 10:58 PM   #42
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Not trying to be funny but look at your smokies. You might want to upgrade to combos if you don't already have them. If they don't talk to each other, I have installed Nests.
By combos I'm assuming you mean CO detectors?

FYI - CO's have a shelf life depending upon manufacturer of 5 to 7 years.

http://www.fayengineering.com/articl...-alarm-expired

http://www.mouseprint.org/2012/10/29...il-in-7-years/
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Old 08-09-2016, 08:01 AM   #43
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By combos I'm assuming you mean CO detectors?

FYI - CO's have a shelf life depending upon manufacturer of 5 to 7 years.

http://www.fayengineering.com/articl...-alarm-expired

http://www.mouseprint.org/2012/10/29...il-in-7-years/

Yes, I meant smoke/CO. I didn't know about the end-of-life. That's good information.

On reno jobs, I often put a combo unit in the furnace room even though it's not a code requirement. I had a guy from the City tell me it's not a good idea because a gas furnace can emit small amounts of CO that aren't dangerous but could set off the alarm. I have never had a call back. What do you think?
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By combos I'm assuming you mean CO detectors?

FYI - CO's have a shelf life depending upon manufacturer of 5 to 7 years.

http://www.fayengineering.com/articl...-alarm-expired

http://www.mouseprint.org/2012/10/29...il-in-7-years/
FWIW, Kidde makes a sealed battery unit rated for 10 years (both battery and function wise). Lithium battery so you never have to change it, it's a great idea and a good upsell for the customer. I just stocked a few of each on my truck.
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while I like the idea of being able to monitor the home, I have always opted to let someone else monitor it (burglar/fire). that way the fire/police are called whether I am checking on it or not. I like that. especially for the smoke/fire. 24/7. home, fishing, sleeping, whatever. that 600 bucks a year for monitoring is peace of mind.
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$600? Try NextAlarm, have them at a couple sites, think under $200 a year
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$600? Try NextAlarm, have them at a couple sites, think under $200 a year
Wasn't aware of this choice. Thanks!

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I specialize in testing and maintenance, I can test everything but hack wiring like this while it may pass every test for 600 VAC cable is still hack
I advice work while standing on a wooden stool. So you you don't get earthed. Happy Testing
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I advice work while standing on a wooden stool. So you you don't get earthed. Happy Testing
Wood has successfully been replaced by fiberglass. It's much more sturdy over time as well.
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FWIW, Kidde makes a sealed battery unit rated for 10 years (both battery and function wise). Lithium battery so you never have to change it, it's a great idea and a good upsell for the customer. I just stocked a few of each on my truck.
I would hope future technologies would overcome the shelflife problems however every CO detector or combo I have used, the CO has either falsed incessantly or failed completely after a few years.
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I would hope future technologies would overcome the shelflife problems however every CO detector or combo I have used, the CO has either falsed incessantly or failed completely after a few years.
I used to use a lot of Kidde but they had a bad run or something and had a bunch of bad ones. Failed right away.
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I would hope future technologies would overcome the shelflife problems however every CO detector or combo I have used, the CO has either falsed incessantly or failed completely after a few years.
well, let's face it, the detectors have to breathe, but they have no way to clean their lungs, so besides the shelflife problem, the in-use problem is that someone either has to build one that cleans its own sensors or they will continue to be a throw away or maintenance item. (at least they fail in the on position ). Lastly, IMO they are worth the cost.
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Wood has successfully been replaced by fiberglass. It's much more sturdy over time as well.
Looks like someone is getting things done real quick and yeah Sturdy is good.
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