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Old 09-12-2013, 07:09 PM   #41
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Don't know, I arrived after the breakers were holding.
Who got them to hold?
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Old 09-12-2013, 07:12 PM   #42
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i thought holding meant a time out?

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Old 09-12-2013, 07:31 PM   #43
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Who got them to hold?
Helper.
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It's always difficult when the customer is not interested in spending the money to do it right.
If you dont do , some one else will.
It's a game of craps, but life generally is.
You know, this was (is) a good customer. Anywhere from $20k to $250k per year. I installed all of the major installations and technical work; he also had some less expensive contractors and techs do the general work that wasn't to technical.

Almost anyone can make lights work. There are a limited number that can make them safe also. Hopefully everyone on this forum belongs to the latter.

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i thought holding meant a time out?

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I will call when I get a chance and see if I can find those wires.
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Where were the wires?
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Right now I'm busier than a cat trying to cover his chit on a marble floor.


I've never heard that defense before.


If you didn't have the time to do it right the first time, when will you have the time?


Be honest......you were never really going to call them people back to fix your mistake, were you?
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Helper.
was the helper qualified to be doing this?
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You know, this was (is) a good customer. Anywhere from $20k to $250k per year. I installed all of the major installations and technical work; he also had some less expensive contractors and techs do the general work that wasn't to technical.

Almost anyone can make lights work. There are a limited number that can make them safe also. Hopefully everyone on this forum belongs to the latter.
I 'am quite sure most people in this forum would prefer to do it right the first time ! But that's not always the case in real life, cause there are always some who seem hell bent on doing it as cheap as possable, with not much thought for long term benefits.

What should be, and what are be, are two different animals.
So I rather prefer to explain to them the benefits of doing it right,
And if they choose not to go that way, then thats there decission,
And I move on. No point getting upset.
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I 'am quite sure most people in this forum would prefer to do it right the first time ! But that's not always the case in real life, cause there are always some who seem hell bent on doing it as cheap as possable, with not much thought for long term benefits.

What should be, and what are be, are two different animals.
So I rather prefer to explain to them the benefits of doing it right,
And if they choose not to go that way, then thats there decission,
And I move on. No point getting upset.
If they don't want to pay to do it right, then disconnect it. Don't do it wrong.
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I 'am quite sure most people in this forum would prefer to do it right the first time ! But that's not always the case in real life, cause there are always some who seem hell bent on doing it as cheap as possable, with not much thought for long term benefits....
No customer gets to compromise safety: Anyone make it work if it doesn't have to be right. We're paid for a reason.
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A few years ago I got a call to repair some wiring.

Get to the house and remove a few devices. Old aluminum wiring to where you could barely differentiate the hot from the neutral. I removed the devices, capped the wiring, and installed a blank plate.
Took a look around at the rest of the house and most of the wiring was just as bad. Called the GC and informed them of what I had done and I would not perform any repairs and the house would need a total rewire.

The homeowner was pissed and the GC wasn't happy, but it wasn't a risk I was willing to take.

That was one of the first jobs I did for that GC and I thought I would never hear from them again. Worked for them for 4+ years until they closed shop.
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was the helper qualified to be doing this?
Depends on who you ask.

He should be.
IMO he is not.
Apparently the boss thinks he is since he runs his own van.
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I've never heard that defense before.


If you didn't have the time to do it right the first time, when will you have the time?


Be honest......you were never really going to call them people back to fix your mistake, were you?
Actually, if I can plan today right, I should be able to make it back this morning.
I have a trouble call in Frayser, then a basement to wire in midtown.
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At least the thread was titled correctly.

Hack work on top of hack work. He doesn't try to hide what he does.
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wow, this thread is cletus
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Cletis was no where around and no I was not able to make it back there today.
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...Old aluminum wiring to where you could barely differentiate the hot from the neutral. I removed the devices, capped the wiring, and installed a blank plate....
That sounds completely different. Unless the wiring was in the process of melting down or had obviously been installed improperly, there was no demonstrable hazard there.
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Question.
How many have backfed a residential circuit when they could not find the break in the wiring?
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How many have backfed a residential circuit when they could not find the break in the wiring?
I would but not without isolating the back feed from the bad section.
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That sounds completely different. Unless the wiring was in the process of melting down or had obviously been installed improperly, there was no demonstrable hazard there.

What I mean is, the neutral was so dark brown it was black. Wiring was cooking in the walls.
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