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Old 09-13-2013, 07:40 PM   #61
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How many have backfed a residential circuit when they could not find the break in the wiring?
Never. Not even once.
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Never. Not even once.

not even twice?
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What I mean is, the neutral was so dark brown it was black. Wiring was cooking in the walls.
Gotcha, I misunderstood that.
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I would but not without isolating the back feed from the bad section.
In my case the backfeed is isolated.
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In my case the backfeed is isolated.
Too many posts but I thought you said you could not find it?
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How many have backfed a residential circuit when they could not find the break in the wiring?
Only when I am absolutely positive that I have abandoned the part of the circuit with the break or fault in it.
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Too many posts but I thought you said you could not find it?
I backfed some awning lights because I could not find the jb where the original feed came from which was shorted out causing the feed wires to break.
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Isn't there still a danger,
that the faulty section is still live,
and could cause a fire ?
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Isn't there still a danger,
that the faulty section is still live,
and could cause a fire ?
yes. ..
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Be honest......you were never really going to call them people back to fix your mistake, were you?
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Actually, if I can plan today right, I should be able to make it back this morning.
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.... no I was not able to make it back there today.

What you are really saying is:
You are never going to call these people.

See, if you actually called, then you would actually go and fix it....



.....but if you don't call, you don't have to go.

..makes sense...

...in a backwoods wacked sort of way




You actually have no intention of owning up to this at all.
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Hey cut him some slack, his personal work phone broke and he had to go pawn some junk to get a new phone.
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I'm beginning to see why the OP hasn't been able to get licensed
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If the customer was happy with the quick patch up job ?
Then they are just as responsible too !

Some times you just gotta give the customer what he wants !
Even thou you think it is not "best practice".

I don't like to do it, but it's reality.
It's just the way some people operate.
To me it sounds like the place where the fire will be. Just sayin'.
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What you are really saying is:
You are never going to call these people.

See, if you actually called, then you would actually go and fix it....



.....but if you don't call, you don't have to go.

..makes sense...

...in a backwoods wacked sort of way




You actually have no intention of owning up to this at all.
Don't know how to respond.
When I say I am going to do something, I do it. I explained that I had been to busy to make it back by so you assume I have no intentions to go back by. No biggie I guess, you don't know me as well as I do not know you.

I made this thread to get opinions on the issue, not opinions on who or what type of person I am.
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Ok. I was figuring to try and go back to this church on monday morning, but seeing as how busy I am, I called the custodian and went out today, on my own time.

Here is where it all began. The LB to the wall on the right is where the feed was coming from.


I could not find any JB's in the ceiling or walls anywhere in the vicinity of this box.
So, I had the custodian take me to the panel and show me which 2 breakers tripped.


The breaker that I have open has a blue wire connected to an orange wire.(same color wire I removed from the conduit) This was 1 of the 2 breakers in question. This circuit shares a conduit with 5 other circuits and apparently runs under the slab. I could not find anything not working anywhere within the vicinity of this panel nor any JBs that contained this circuit.

So I got my toner out. Never used my toner when pipe and wire were involved.


I picked up a strong tone on this wall.



On the outside I have a light box with an orange and white wire. No power here. I can only assume it is the same circuit. It is a dead end, but closer to the panel than the other box.



I am stumped. My toner picked up a strong signal along the outside wall, but I could yet find a JB.



I removed this circuit from the breaker and informed the custodian to call me if he noticed anything not working between the panel and this outside wall.

I do not know if there is a buried JB or what.
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I removed this circuit from the breaker
Good Job
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Behind the lb in that box that used to be a light

In the switch or box that used to control the light that used to be there

contactor or clock that used to control the outside light that isn't there

in another light outside that may have been on the same switch leg the light that was removed was on

4 random guesses
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Behind the lb in that box that used to be a light
That is where I pulled out both the hot and neutral because when the short was cleared, those two wires burnt in to.
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In the switch or box that used to control the light that used to be there
There is a 4 gang switch box inside those glass doors. I figured that would be it.
Not there either.
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contactor or clock that used to control the outside light that isn't there

in another light outside that may have been on the same switch leg the light that was removed was on

4 random guesses
Unfortunately I was unable to find anything from the panel towards the problem area.
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That is where I pulled out both the hot and neutral because when the short was cleared, those two wires burnt in to.

There is a 4 gang switch box inside those glass doors. I figured that would be it.
Not there either.

Unfortunately I was unable to find anything from the panel towards the problem area.
Look for another outside light then look for a possible clock or contactor (or where there was one).

Also look for another switch location (possible 3 way)
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I am beginning to understand certain members here.

I create a thread, just looking for opinions. Some come down on me.
I am just looking for opinions. I even state I will return. Some still come down on me, treat me like I am a hack.

I return as I stated, post pics showing what was what. Same members who came down on me wont touch this thread with a ten foot pole. Why?

It does not fit their agenda. They are those who may be hacks and look to those like me to make them feel better about their own hackwork.

It's a shame. I notice these same people do not post about their own work, they just look to criticize others about theirs so as to feel better about their own in adequatenesses.
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