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Old 04-22-2012, 10:39 PM   #61
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Holy ****ing ****, what the **** do they build the inside of that with? Pure platinum?
It is mainly because it's proprietary to Sony, IIRC they are the ONLY maker of that format's deck (remember the original consumer Betamax?) and tapes. The ONLY reason VHS beat Beta is because Mashusita was willing to license the manufacturing of the decks and tapes to other manufacturers. And Beta had superior picture and sound quality. Also, that $50k deck and format is a professional broadcast format so the market is admittedly smaller than a consumer format would be. You CAN rent one of those decks... for a mere $1,200 per DAY.

Sony has been really hit and miss, some of their gear is really the best you can get, and other things are high-priced crap (certain broadcast cameras and most commonly know to the general public, their SDDS "Sony Dynamic Digital Sound" cinema sound.) Sony also frequently drops ALL support on a product without warning, and if you need it serviced after that happens, good luck.

How bad was the cinema gear? Let's put it this way...industry techs and cinema owners referred to it as "System Dumps During Show" which it frequently did. The later 3000 series gear actually worked well, but was still way overpriced compared to Dolby Digital and DTS. Oh, and Sony dropped ALL support on SDDS some years back.

And the new digital cinema projectors from Sony, while having great image quality, are more expensive than Christie, NEC or Barco, break down more frequently, have the highest re-lamping cost, and ONLY Sony techs can service them. (Sony will not release any service info or passwords, you HAVE to have their techs and ONLY their techs do ANY service.) The other three are all tech-friendly enough that any competent tech can fix them, and they also offer full classes on setup and servicing.

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there are self powered hdmi cables out to 100'.
i've used them 4 times so far, and they work.
Yep, they have active amplification and phase/timing correction so they work well for long distances.

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They sell to the same type people who pay $175 for 'audio grade receptacles'
See above Bob, that deck is for professional broadcast use..but I have no doubt that there are a lot of broadcast products that fall into the $175 audio grade recept. category.

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A/V installers are so defensive.
Yeah so don't f**k with us either.

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http://www.imagingscience.com/upload/tomsguide.pdf

I am no expert on this but I have seen at least 50 calibrated TV's before and after and the difference is noticeable 90% of the time.
It does make a huge difference. Most people (me included) tend to have their tv's set with too much brightness, washed-out contrast and oversaturated color.

The digital cinema projector I installed for UC Irvine looked loads better after color calibration than it did before. I watched "TRON:Legacy" on blu ray for both tests and the difference was staggering.

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There really is a big difference in picture quality. Sound too but not anything the average person is going to notice.

Blu ray is almost obsolete. Physical media in general is heading the way of the pager.
Blu-ray will be around for a long time, I predict that standard DVD will go away soon, but there will always be physical media for consumer video use (the studios with their rampant paranoia about piracy will NEVER get away from physical media as they try to maintain the illusion of control over who sees/buys thier product.)

Hell, 35mm film has been around for over 100 years and is only going away because the studios want to save some bucks on the distribution end. So far, over 99% of Digital Cinema DCP files are sent to the theatres on physical hard drives for loading into the servers which store it in a 3 or 4 drive RAID array for playback.

As for archival issues, the studios have discovered that digital is NOT a good idea, a lot of material has already been lost/degraded so severely that they are having issues. So now they are looking at making archival copies.......on 35mm film.

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Old 04-22-2012, 11:04 PM   #62
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HD DVD lost the battle just like batamax.
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I do video conference rooms and the longest hdmi cable they make is 30' by Blackbox.com.
I have a 50' hdmi at home. My last place I worked we sold some 75' ones as well. Extron and l-com make long ones. Extron is a bit better on the quality.
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HD DVD lost the battle just like batamax.
What battle? They got you to bite huh? Did you run out and replace all your DVD with Blu-Ray?
There are more DVD players/recorders and more DVD disks for sale in the store than there are Blu-Ray.
I bought my last DVD recorder just days before your so called battle was won and I was worried my recorder and all my media would be obsolete. Turns out DVD is still available and they are still selling DVD equipment.
This is not even close to the Betamax deal. Those were two completely different systems. DVD and Blu-Ray are almost exactly alike. Its all picture.
Like said above. You cannot tell the difference unless you are looking for it.
I am glad Blu-Ray did not make DVD obsolete, or even come close. I still use DVD and will continue until they actually find a competitor to DVD. Blu-Ray is not enough to warrant wholesale removal of DVD from the shelves.
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What battle? They got you to bite huh? Did you run out and replace all your DVD with Blu-Ray?
There are more DVD players/recorders and more DVD disks for sale in the store than there are Blu-Ray.
I bought my last DVD recorder just days before your so called battle was won and I was worried my recorder and all my media would be obsolete. Turns out DVD is still available and they are still selling DVD equipment.
This is not even close to the Betamax deal. Those were two completely different systems. DVD and Blu-Ray are almost exactly alike. Its all picture.
Like said above. You cannot tell the difference unless you are looking for it.
I am glad Blu-Ray did not make DVD obsolete, or even come close. I still use DVD and will continue until they actually find a competitor to DVD. Blu-Ray is not enough to warrant wholesale removal of DVD from the shelves.
tell that to my betamax. I finally threw it out a couple years ago.
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I am glad Blu-Ray did not make DVD obsolete, or even come close. I still use DVD and will continue until they actually find a competitor to DVD. Blu-Ray is not enough to warrant wholesale removal of DVD from the shelves.
100% agree I'm not spending an extra $5-10 (sometimes more) for blu-ray quality if there is another option. DVD quality is very good imo.

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tell that to my betamax. I finally threw it out a couple years ago.
My vhs collection went a couple years ago. What kind of vhs collection ? Uhhh classics
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I kept a vhs player lol
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the hdmi cable was actually invented in 1943. in the following archived clip, it doesn't tell you , but the animals and the humans are actually being picked up by an 800' long hdmi cable.

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monoprice is a good source for cables. HDMI baluns over Cat 5e/Cat 6 is very common also.
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the hdmi cable was actually invented in 1943. in the following archived clip, it doesn't tell you , but the animals and the humans are actually being picked up by an 800' long hdmi cable.
WTF. That's not what I use my HDMI cables for
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