Help with career route - Electrician Talk - Professional Electrical Contractors Forum
CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY, IT'S FREE!
Go Back   Electrician Talk - Professional Electrical Contractors Forum > Electrical Forum > General Electrical Discussion


Like Tree14Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-20-2019, 12:03 PM   #1
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 11
Rewards Points: 22
Default Help with career route

Hey guys new here.
I'm in a crossroads and want some advice from someone in the know.

I have a 3 choises.

1. Work as a Hydro Electric Electrican apprentice at the Water plant for the county. Its union and a 4 year apprenticeship but I dont think its with the ibew.

2. Ibew aprentiship.

3. Go the non union route.

I'm also thinking of hvac because I live in a area that NEEDS hvac. 100 plus degree summers, freezing winters in soCal.
Thanks for reading this
BuickMan8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Join Contractor Talk

Join the #1 Electrician Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

ElectricianTalk.com - Are you a Professional Electrical Contractor? If so we invite you to join our community and see what it has to offer. Our site is specifically designed for you and it's the leading place for electricians to meet online. No homeowners asking DIY questions. Just fellow tradesmen who enjoy talking about their business, their trade, and anything else that comes up. No matter what your specialty is you'll find that ElectricianTalk.com is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally free!

Join ElectricianTalk.com - Click Here JOIN FOR FREE


Warning: The topics covered on this site include activities in which there exists the potential for serious injury or death. ElectricianTalk.com DOES NOT guarantee the accuracy or completeness of any information contained on this site. Always use proper safety precaution and reference reliable outside sources before attempting any construction or remodeling task!

Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 05-20-2019, 12:11 PM   #2
Senile Member
 
macmikeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Honolulu
Posts: 27,333
Rewards Points: 17,025
Default

Go Hvac. Before Flyboy opened that arm of his shop , he could only fly a kite.
MechanicalDVR and splatz like this.
__________________
Just days before China unveiled a nuclear weapon that can "strike the US within 30 minutes with ten warheads" as part of a giant military parade, US Major General Lori Reynolds announced she's declaring "diversity" is a "warfighting necessity" which will help America defeat the more homogeneous nations of China and Russia.
macmikeman is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to macmikeman For This Useful Post:
BuickMan8 (05-20-2019)
Old 05-20-2019, 12:28 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
MikeFL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: The Sunshine State
Posts: 5,595
Rewards Points: 80
Default

Everyone is going to tell you something different, for all different reasons. We have no idea where you are in your life, what your wants and needs are, etc. Each will have different opportunities and challenges.

Personally I like the county route for long term stability. You'll always know what you're going to have years into the future.

IBEW will get you the highest hourly wage and biggest bottom line W-2 in the good times but you might not have the long term steadiness and security you get from the county job during economic downturns.

HVAC is just another trade. Are you talking mom & pop shop or some union work? In the HVAC trade I'd expect you're going to be moving around more. Maybe that's what you want and maybe it's not.
splatz and Bird dog like this.
__________________
Michael Gookin, President
GPS Timers

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

(833) GPS-TIME
MikeFL is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to MikeFL For This Useful Post:
BuickMan8 (05-20-2019)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 05-20-2019, 01:41 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Philly/NJ
Posts: 575
Rewards Points: 918
Default

HVAC if you have the aptitude to be good at it.

You need a broad spectrum of cross trained knowledge and skills to be a good tech.
Tonedeaf is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Tonedeaf For This Useful Post:
BuickMan8 (05-20-2019)
Old 05-20-2019, 01:43 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
Bird dog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: South East US
Posts: 5,208
Rewards Points: 178
Default

Would the county apprenticeship qualify you to take the state jman test? If you ever go to another state, they may require 8000hrs etc to take their jman test.
__________________
Popcorn munching forum observer
"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting." Sun Tzu
Bird dog is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Bird dog For This Useful Post:
BuickMan8 (05-20-2019)
Old 05-20-2019, 02:54 PM   #6
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 11
Rewards Points: 22
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeFL View Post
Everyone is going to tell you something different, for all different reasons. We have no idea where you are in your life, what your wants and needs are, etc. Each will have different opportunities and challenges.

Personally I like the county route for long term stability. You'll always know what you're going to have years into the future.

IBEW will get you the highest hourly wage and biggest bottom line W-2 in the good times but you might not have the long term steadiness and security you get from the county job during economic downturns.

HVAC is just another trade. Are you talking mom & pop shop or some union work? In the HVAC trade I'd expect you're going to be moving around more. Maybe that's what you want and maybe it's not.
Thanks for your time. I'm 33 with a new house and child. I alone work and can pay all the bill doing class b trucking. I can work hard and have my whole life, I COULD do all the grunt work but i would like to know there will be a future when my work would not be so physical.

As far as HVAC i was thinking moms and pops for 10years then opening my own buisness. That what I like about electrical that you can make money outside your 9 to 5 where in contrast a pipefitter would be harnessed down to limited opportunities (I used to do firesprinklers with my uncles)

So yeah I have alot to think about but I'm happy and optimistic for my family's future.
BuickMan8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2019, 02:55 PM   #7
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 11
Rewards Points: 22
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bird dog View Post
Would the county apprenticeship qualify you to take the state jman test? If you ever go to another state, they may require 8000hrs etc to take their jman test.
I think I read something that it would set me up to be a journeyman.
BuickMan8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2019, 02:56 PM   #8
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 11
Rewards Points: 22
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonedeaf View Post
HVAC if you have the aptitude to be good at it.

You need a broad spectrum of cross trained knowledge and skills to be a good tech.
Thank you for your post.
BuickMan8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2019, 02:58 PM   #9
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 11
Rewards Points: 22
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by macmikeman View Post
Go Hvac. Before Flyboy opened that arm of his shop , he could only fly a kite.
Flyboy=Thomas Edison???
MikeFL likes this.
BuickMan8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2019, 03:01 PM   #10
Senile Member
 
macmikeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Honolulu
Posts: 27,333
Rewards Points: 17,025
Default

HVAC is easiest to make it working directly with businesses and home owners.
There is return revenue after you have worked enough years in business due to maintenance contracts you made along the way, such that company overhead can be completely covered and more due to just having a few men go do the filter changes and motor / gas checks monthly.

Most electrical contractors get nowhere near that. Most. Not all.


My take on electrical maintenance contracts: wishful thinking or selling policies to old widows when they really didn't need it . That's usually about it, unless you stick in some really complex system work in some big facilities.


Change my mind.
__________________
Just days before China unveiled a nuclear weapon that can "strike the US within 30 minutes with ten warheads" as part of a giant military parade, US Major General Lori Reynolds announced she's declaring "diversity" is a "warfighting necessity" which will help America defeat the more homogeneous nations of China and Russia.
macmikeman is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to macmikeman For This Useful Post:
BuickMan8 (05-20-2019)
Old 05-20-2019, 03:03 PM   #11
Senile Member
 
macmikeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Honolulu
Posts: 27,333
Rewards Points: 17,025
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BuickMan8 View Post
Flyboy=Thomas Edison???

Nope. That was Benjamin Franklin.
__________________
Just days before China unveiled a nuclear weapon that can "strike the US within 30 minutes with ten warheads" as part of a giant military parade, US Major General Lori Reynolds announced she's declaring "diversity" is a "warfighting necessity" which will help America defeat the more homogeneous nations of China and Russia.
macmikeman is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to macmikeman For This Useful Post:
BuickMan8 (05-20-2019)
Old 05-20-2019, 03:07 PM   #12
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 11
Rewards Points: 22
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by macmikeman View Post
HVAC is easiest to make it working directly with businesses and home owners.
There is return revenue after you have worked enough years in business due to maintenance contracts you made along the way, such that company overhead can be completely covered and more due to just having a few men go do the filter changes and motor / gas checks monthly.

Most electrical contractors get nowhere near that. Most. Not all.


My take on electrical maintenance contracts: wishful thinking or selling policies to old widows when they really didn't need it . That's usually about it, unless you stick in some really complex system work in some big facilities.


Change my mind.
Thanks for that insight, that's something I would have needed to be told to make my next step. Oh old Bengie, that's my favorite president lol. Thanks again.
BuickMan8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2019, 03:49 PM   #13
Senior Member
 
Bird dog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: South East US
Posts: 5,208
Rewards Points: 178
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BuickMan8 View Post
Thanks for that insight, that's something I would have needed to be told to make my next step. Oh old Bengie, that's my favorite president lol. Thanks again.
He wasn't ever President...
https://www.google.com/search?client...13.qqoYCaZaMbQ
__________________
Popcorn munching forum observer
"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting." Sun Tzu
Bird dog is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Bird dog For This Useful Post:
macmikeman (05-20-2019)
Old 05-20-2019, 06:00 PM   #14
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 11
Rewards Points: 22
Default

I get my Masons confused.
BuickMan8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2019, 07:48 PM   #15
Senior Member
 
QMED's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Seattle
Posts: 140
Rewards Points: 282
Default

You're in SoCal? I would stick with the hydro electric apprenticeship. You'll be working smarter not harder
stiffneck likes this.
QMED is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2019, 08:38 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
Bird dog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: South East US
Posts: 5,208
Rewards Points: 178
Default

Another option is find an HVAC apprenticeship if available.
__________________
Popcorn munching forum observer
"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting." Sun Tzu
Bird dog is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2019, 12:07 AM   #17
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 11
Rewards Points: 22
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by QMED View Post
You're in SoCal? I would stick with the hydro electric apprenticeship. You'll be working smarter not harder
Yeah I'm in the high desert area in between Palmdale and Victorville. Thanks for your post.
BuickMan8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2019, 12:09 AM   #18
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 11
Rewards Points: 22
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bird dog View Post
Another option is find an HVAC apprenticeship if available.
Thanks Bird Dog. appreciate all the help.
BuickMan8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2019, 06:16 AM   #19
Hackenschmidt
 
splatz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Parts Unknown
Posts: 8,725
Rewards Points: 92
Default

I would consider the big building controls companies in your area, Johnson Controls, Honeywell, etc. In this area they are organizing new hires into the union and paying them way over scale, and having trouble finding good people.
__________________
Everything Should Be Made as Simple as Possible, But Not Simpler
splatz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2019, 07:21 AM   #20
Small Potatoes
 
flyboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: North East and Treasure Coast Florida
Posts: 5,020
Rewards Points: 3,775
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by macmikeman View Post
Go Hvac. Before Flyboy opened that arm of his shop , he could only fly a kite.
My girlfriend tells me to do this all the time.
flyboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Career change at 42s [email protected] Electrician Apprentice Forum 24 04-08-2019 12:17 AM
Change of Career Advice Needed Please! kashifiqtidar General Electrical Discussion 13 11-14-2018 04:02 PM
Option for career path 16tons General Electrical Discussion 14 03-12-2018 11:11 AM
Starting my Career as an Electrician SmilingDylan New Member Introductions 7 05-21-2016 12:23 PM
Electrician Apprentice - Career change tmiller New Member Introductions 2 05-20-2016 06:06 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:45 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.1
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Our Pro Sites Network
ContractorTalk.com | DrywallTalk.com | HVACSite.com | PaintTalk.com | PlumbingZone.com | RoofingTalk.com