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Old 03-16-2017, 01:37 PM   #41
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I have had labour only agreements on industrial jobs and it works well. They deliver my bill of material to site. Odds and ends and extras I supply and it works out in the wash at final billing. I threw 15 partial boxes of Cat 5 in my truck once at job end because purchasing said it was easier to make them disappear than figure out how to enter them into inventory.

That's a far cry from an HO trying to save a few lousy bucks by supplying material. That's a red flag. If it's an innocent question about who supplies material, yeah, that's something I can work with. If the question of price comes up early, however, I know it won't go away until after I have finished begging for a bone at final.

Anybody who has been in business for a while recognizes red flags and the opening post contains more than one.
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Old 03-16-2017, 04:07 PM   #42
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I have a side work customer I work for mainly to help out. He is a friend of a friend and a really cool guy. He's starting up a small business. And of course he liked Save A Buck so he likes to get his own material. I tried to explain to him that I would never mark up material anyway. He still likes to get his own. Very often it's the wrong material and he says he's going to take it back.... now he's got a basement full of unused electrical stuff so when he want something else done it's kind of there . So it didn't really save him any money but at least he's got his own supply house now :-)

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" I tried to explain to him that I would never mark up material anyway. "

worst advise ever...
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My estimates all include the line "All surface mounted and decorative fixtures not specified in this estimate shall be provided by others, installed by electrician and must meet all code requirements." I include a fair buffer in the estimate for the labor sucking fixtures sometimes encounter.
Other than this, I expect to provide the materials. If a HO or GC wants to provide other materials, I try briefly to emplane that they won't be likely to save any money and it may not be covered under the warranty. If they are persistent, alarm bells start to ring, and I start looking for other warning signs before accepting their counter offer.
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Dang! My spelling is bad today!
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If I here "We already bought the can lights used from CL.", the next sound is my tires squealing out of the driveway!
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The ho had bought the supplies from his neighbor, who works at supply house. Him and his fil had all the blue boxes hung to code from his electrical book he bought at home depot. Said they could do it after watching youtube and reading his book but the wife wanted it done right. He told me several times he wanted all devices in before drywall and thought it was odd we never do that. Had my guy do that for him and im glad the job is finally down to lights.
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If you set the boxes far enough forward and break the tabs off of all devices, it's fine installing devices before drywall.
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If you set the boxes far enough forward and break the tabs off of all devices, it's fine installing devices before drywall.
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Got one yesterday, wanted to know if it would be cheaper if they removed the old plates and installed the new ones after I did the device swap... meanwhile, they drive up in a BMW and there is a classic Ferrari in the garage, guess every penny counts.
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If you set the boxes far enough forward and break the tabs off of all devices, it's fine installing devices before drywall.
I thought all dry wallers used Rotozip style tools to make the holes after the drywall was tacked up these days.


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I thought all dry wallers used Rotozip style tools to make the holes after the drywall was tacked up these days.


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They are supposed to trace around the outside of the box. If they don't do it right, they can pay for it to be fixed.

Rotozips are supposed to be set so that only the smooth pilot tip goes thru the drywall. I hear stories about them cutting wires, the only way that is possible is if the Rotozip is setup incorrectly and used by an idiot.
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And there are plenty of idiots. The other fools are the handymen who take a guess and hog a hole with their jab saw so big that the plate barely covers it.
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