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Old 04-01-2010, 10:10 AM   #21
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I was out of room at the bottom of the panel so........


Cutler Hammer sells a "Surge Loadcenter" that already has that same 35kAIC TVSS installed INSIDE the panel housing. The catalog number is CHSUR42B200L2. Given that I'd say it's listed to be installed inside the panel. I've installed serveral of these over the last few years.

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Old 04-01-2010, 10:56 AM   #22
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In our area, that would be a red tag....... " not listed for use inside an enclosure"
Unless its listed for that use

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Really? Says who?


I'd suggest to those of you that automatically bag on something for no other reason that you have never seen it or done it, do a little research first.

You may be surprised at what you find.
NEC 110.3(B), UL 67 and I've seen references to UL 1449.

There are TVSS units that are listed to be used inside panels, panels that are listed and marked to accept integral TVSS units.

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Can you come up with anything in the CEC that prohibits anything besides a panelboard in a panelboard cabinet? I'm sorta doubting it.
I can't find my copy of the OESC right now, but in section 2 there's a rule headed "Approval of Electrical Equipment" that's a little more in depth than NEC 110.3(B) and (I'm working of memory here) I seem to remember seeing references to CAN/CSA 22.2.

Its pretty much the same up here. You won't find specifics in the code book other than it telling you the device has to be listed and installed according to what its listed for and UL or CAN/CSA references on the devices that you have to adhere to.
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No, never have.

But if it was in my home and I had a choice I would want a device that might catch on fire to be inside an enclosure.
I work in industrial, and I HAVE seen them around. The ones I've seen that did their job melted everything around them. I do agree with your "inside an enclosure" idea, though.
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If it passes it passes, but I think I would have used one of those K.O.'s on the bottom right hand side of the panel.
Yeah. I could have run some conduit and mounted it outside but (again) it was 4PM and the last thing to go in. 30 second to install or 25 minutes?

I was aware the CH made a panel with a SP inside so I figured, what the hell. It's even a CH protector

Someone did point out that there is an LED on the unit that shows if there was a surge. I suppose that might be useful information. I'll read the instructions next time

I DID read the installation instructions on one I installed last week, I hacked it because I didn't use the 6x1" sheet metal screws supplied to install it on a stucco exterior. I chose to go with 10x 1.5" screws that are in the plasic anchor kit. Instructions clearly stated to use screws provided.
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Unless its listed for that use



NEC 110.3(B), UL 67 and I've seen references to UL 1449.

There are TVSS units that are listed to be used inside panels, panels that are listed and marked to accept integral TVSS units.



I can't find my copy of the OESC right now, but in section 2 there's a rule headed "Approval of Electrical Equipment" that's a little more in depth than NEC 110.3(B) and (I'm working of memory here) I seem to remember seeing references to CAN/CSA 22.2.

Its pretty much the same up here. You won't find specifics in the code book other than it telling you the device has to be listed and installed according to what its listed for and UL or CAN/CSA references on the devices that you have to adhere to.

So how does this apply to the OP's situation that somebody said would get a "red tag" ?
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Yeah. I could have run some conduit and mounted it outside but (again) it was 4PM and the last thing to go in. 30 second to install or 25 minutes?

I was aware the CH made a panel with a SP inside so I figured, what the hell. It's even a CH protector

Someone did point out that there is an LED on the unit that shows if there was a surge. I suppose that might be useful information. I'll read the instructions next time

I DID read the installation instructions on one I installed last week, I hacked it because I didn't use the 6x1" sheet metal screws supplied to install it on a stucco exterior. I chose to go with 10x 1.5" screws that are in the plasic anchor kit. Instructions clearly stated to use screws provided.
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