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Old 09-08-2016, 07:21 PM   #1
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What is the minimum distance an electric radio can be to an edge of a pool or lazy river. The radio is plugged into an GFI outlet.
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Old 09-08-2016, 07:41 PM   #2
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The radio is irrelevant. It's the receptacle that matters.
What is a lazy river? What is the setting?
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It's a public pool. The lazy river is separate from the main pool. It is used for walking and riding on inner tubes. It has moving water which propels the inner tubes. The receptable is mounted on the side of the building. The radio was plugged into an extension cord and it was placed on the concrete near the water.
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It's a public pool. The lazy river is separate from the main pool. It is used for walking and riding on inner tubes. It has moving water which propels the inner tubes. The receptable is mounted on the side of the building. The radio was plugged into an extension cord and it was placed on the concrete near the water.
That is the issue.

As far as we are concerned, the placement of the receptacle is what needs to meet code. If some idiot wants to plug in and leave an x-cord around a setting like that he should be removed from the job and the area.
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Thanks Speedy Petey, I didn't know if it was covered by the code. I guess you can't account for stupidty. I told the person in charge to remove it. I will check on it tomorrow if I get a chance.
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Being that it is a public place it would fall under whatever governing body regulates its operation. The extension cord will be no where to be found on inspection day. If their insurance underwriter happened to be there on a nice outing with the family it could get interesting.

Do the construction electrician thing when they have a cord where it doesn't belong and chop the end off.
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Being that it is a public place it would fall under whatever governing body regulates its operation. The extension cord will be no where to be found on inspection day. If their insurance underwriter happened to be there on a nice outing with the family it could get interesting.

Do the construction electrician thing when they have a cord where it doesn't belong and chop the end off.
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It's a public pool. The lazy river is separate from the main pool. It is used for walking and riding on inner tubes. It has moving water which propels the inner tubes. The receptable is mounted on the side of the building. The radio was plugged into an extension cord and it was placed on the concrete near the water.
The NEC assumes a 6' cord. Once an extension cord in introduced into the question, no one can help you.
A GFCI receptacle 10' away from the edge of the water with something with a '6 cord would leave enough space that the average person would be out of reach of it.
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The NEC assumes a 6' cord. Once an extension cord in introduced into the question, no one can help you.
A GFCI receptacle 10' away from the edge of the water with something with a '6 cord would leave enough space that the average person would be out of reach of it.
Suncoast, do you have a code reference?
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The "Code" is not going to address things like extension cords in that way, the NEC is about safe CONSTRUCTION and DESIGN practices. What idiots do after it is designed and installed is not something that can be addressed in the NEC. So the NEC will address placements of receptacles so as to limit the use of extension cords (i.e. 6ft along a wall), and can say things like "no permanent use of extension cords". It appears this is somewhat addressed though in Article 680:
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680.7 Cord-and-Plug-Connected Equipment. Fixed or stationary equipment, other than underwater luminaires, for a
permanently installed pool shall be permitted to be connected
with a flexible cord and plug to facilitate the removal or disconnection
for maintenance or repair.
(A) Length. For other than storable pools, the flexible cord
shall not exceed 900 mm (3 ft) in length
People think that just because it is a GFCI, it is "safe". It is safER, but nothing is 100%.

I would imagine there might be other health and safety regulations that will forbid it.
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Just wanted to give everyone an update. When I went to the pool Yesterday the radio was replaced by a battery powered one. I guess they listened to me.
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Just wanted to give everyone an update. When I went to the pool Yesterday the radio was replaced by a battery powered one. I guess they listened to me.
Every now and then some common sense goes a long way. Peopel tend to just ignore safety choices more often than not.
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