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Old 01-30-2015, 03:27 AM   #1
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I'm a journeyman electrician.just graduated my apprenticeship 7 months ago and everything is going great...one problem though is I'm just clueless about motors(start.stops)and all the ladder and wiring diagrams that come along with it. I'm gearing up to get my license soon and I just need any advice that will just simplify this for me...i tried youtube,I tried googling. I just can't get it
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Old 01-30-2015, 04:48 AM   #2
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Are you one of those 'hands on' guys Ray?

Get yourself an old used starter w/24V coil , and play with it on your kitch table....~CS~
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I'm a journeyman electrician.just graduated my apprenticeship 7 months ago and everything is going great...one problem though is I'm just clueless about motors(start.stops)and all the ladder and wiring diagrams that come along with it. I'm gearing up to get my license soon and I just need any advice that will just simplify this for me...i tried youtube,I tried googling. I just can't get it
What is it that you think your not getting?

Try this link: http://www.mikeholt.com/instructor2/...1713sample.pdf

Ugly's has a motor control book that's pretty good. http://www.amazon.com/Uglys-Electric.../dp/0763772542
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Are you one of those 'hands on' guys Ray?

Get yourself an old used starter w/24V coil , and play with it on your kitch table....~CS~
Indeed the best way to learn is to do just that....
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I was like that too until I got a AB combination starter and studied it with a ladder diagram .
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Just out of curiosity, what is your apprenticeship background as far as schooling is concerned?
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IBEW apprenticeship...didn't get motors then
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Nor has there ever even been one start/stop I've seen on a worksite where I could of done it first hand
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Welcome to my world Ray

I've spent most of my life contracting and now I'm retired and still clueless about a lot of things.

The electrical trade is very very broad and we tend to learn the things we are involved in.
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This Square D book is a good study source.
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First. Lets be clear. You want to learn motor control. The motors themselves are a different discipline.
A fresh JW working in construction may never work on any motor control. But knowing something is very helpful.
First, understand that working with motor control is much better than trying to learn it without hands on experience.
Ladder drawings or schematics should have been discussed in your apprenticeship training? We can hope this is true?

A few guys here have some interactive programs you might try. They can also point you to sites created just for this purpose.
Knowing as much as you can, makes you a better electrician.
But honestly, not many construction guys know or even need to know about this type of work. In fact many industrial guys look at construction guys as "three wire hero's". A negative term regarding the electrician that only works with structural wiring, while they work on machine wiring and motor control.
It is not in your job description unless you are in industrial applications where it necessary to know this.

Someone will be along shortly to link you up to these sites.
Working in this environment is the very best way to learn. IMO of course.
Good luck.

There you go. Don posted a site for you before i got done typing!
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download Zeliosoft from schneider, it's a free program and pretty good to mess around with ladder logic, and then be able to easily simulate your program and see if it works
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Many thanks...
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I have a first edition and they are up to forth, but I think this is one of the best cover quite a bit.
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Check out your local community colleges see if they have motors in control take the class.
I used to rewind motors and I could use a refresher course myself with all the new control systems and drives that are out there.
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Check with the JATC. They probably offer Journeyman improvement classes including motor controls. Best of all, your contractor will/should pay for it.
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Did you maybe leave out something important.......like "first edition" of what?
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I can say with some confidence that you have instructors that would have and still will spend time with you personally so you can increase your understanding. People can say whatever they want about the IBEW but they will never be able to say you weren't given access to a top notch electrical education.
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My advise from someone who was in your shoes, go work at a factory. Tradeoff is a depressing environment, with endless hours until you can't stand your day. Lol !!
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Its called google
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