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Old 12-04-2017, 05:54 PM   #61
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I totally understand but what if youíre a non union one man shop and you set your own schedule and pay your own benefits. Couldnít that be better than working for someone in the union if you made close to the same pay union or non?
It could be, it's just a lot harder than you think.

To make the comparison, you have to know the dollar cost of benefits, especially health care and pension / retirement.

Then you have to understand the cost of being in business - money you'll spend initially and over time on your own equipment, your lawyer, your accountant, your insurance agent, advertising, etc.

You have to cover both of those, PLUS your wages, with the work that you bill for, to make as much as you do at your job.

You can actually do that work after you're done answering the phone, paying your bills, billing your customers, meeting prospective customers, looking at jobs to bid, estimating jobs, writing bids / proposals, ordering materials and supplies, maintaining your truck, etc.
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Old 12-04-2017, 05:55 PM   #62
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Or when you get laid off you get to live off of me and the rest o the taxpayers.
That's the cost of doing business. If you don't like it, vote people in that will abolish payroll taxes.

I don't even bother filing for unemployment anyway. Takes too long to collect for too little money. I make more money taking a few short calls while I wait for a good one.

Another perk of being union is that I don't have to prove I'm job searching, and I do not have to be willing to accept lower wages as Texas requires for the non-union folks. They don't want people trying to hold out for equal or higher wages. Another reason not to go jump back to the other side.

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Old 12-04-2017, 06:32 PM   #63
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Sure, but what if you worked with a developer or you just did the electrical for a mechanical or HVAC shop? Wouldnít you just need to work to supply your developer or general contractor?
You could go to work for a developer and wire up new developments for him. You will have to put laborers on the payroll because you can't afford to pay real electrician and in the end you will be lucky if you made $300 per house. But you won't see that money from the first development that you wired until you finished wiring up the 3rd one.

As for doing the electric for a mechanical or HVAC shop, you can do that too. But if it actually turns into a good gig, why would they give you the money when they can put someone with a license on the payroll and make all the money themselves?

If it was easy, everyone would be doing it and succeeding. While it seems like everyone in the trade tries to do it, very few succeed.

Like I told you earlier, go talk to your training director about being switched to another company.
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you will always have people like that to deal with in any profession any trade or any job anywhere. Talking to the correct people to have the problem resolved is the thing to do before quitting. I have worked non-union and union both and it is a lot easier to have problems like that resolved being a union member vs not.
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You are Union as soon as you turn out just move to a different contractor that's the beauty of it keep your pay and benefits.

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Or when you get laid off you get to live off of me and the rest o the taxpayers.
That's exactly what I always hear about the union. They hire you and then lay you off after the project.
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That's exactly what I always hear about the union. They hire you and then lay you off after the project.
That's the point. Then you go out to the next job.

But if you are a good worker, contractors often keep you.
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You could go to work for a developer and wire up new developments for him. You will have to put laborers on the payroll because you can't afford to pay real electrician and in the end you will be lucky if you made $300 per house. But you won't see that money from the first development that you wired until you finished wiring up the 3rd one.
That's a bit hyperbolic but still not far from the truth.
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That's exactly what I always hear about the union. They hire you and then lay you off after the project.
I've only ever been laid off due to lack of work once. Otherwise I usually quit after a few years with a company because I get bored. Big jobs will do big layoffs unless you're awesome. Smaller companies will keep good guys on for steady work year round.

I've heard about a few guys that organized in from open shop, but they get butt hurt when they get laid off their first time and quit the union. A lot of guys have trouble wrapping their heads around the fact they don't have to look for another job anymore, that their health insurance (no premium) is good for up to 6 "banked" months in our local even if they're not working, that their retirement follows them, and they don't have to negotiate their minimum wage.

Don't have to interview, don't have to update the resume. Make prevailing wage all the time.

As long as I'm on the tools and not working for myself I'll be union. Ideology aside, it just makes financial sense.
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That's exactly what I always hear about the union. They hire you and then lay you off after the project.
I am 23 years in the IBEW with ZERO time sitting on the bench. I see the same guys laid off every winter. They always blame the contractor or the union. Funny how a guy who has 3 or 4 w2 every year tells me how the contractor did him wrong. He needs to buy a mirror. Just like sbrn33 said, he laid a couple of guys off for disciplinary problems and they went union but are not working. He tried to say it is the unions fault the guys were not working but I bet they can't hold a job as a result of their own stupidity.
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I am 23 years in the IBEW with ZERO time sitting on the bench. I see the same guys laid off every winter. They always blame the contractor or the union. Funny how a guy who has 3 or 4 w2 every year tells me how the contractor did him wrong. He needs to buy a mirror. Just like sbrn33 said, he laid a couple of guys off for disciplinary problems and they went union but are not working. He tried to say it is the unions fault the guys were not working but I bet they can't hold a job as a result of their own stupidity.
Very true.

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I am 23 years in the IBEW with ZERO time sitting on the bench. I see the same guys laid off every winter. They always blame the contractor or the union. Funny how a guy who has 3 or 4 w2 every year tells me how the contractor did him wrong. He needs to buy a mirror. Just like sbrn33 said, he laid a couple of guys off for disciplinary problems and they went union but are not working. He tried to say it is the unions fault the guys were not working but I bet they can't hold a job as a result of their own stupidity.
There are plenty of good electricians that get laid off in the union. Big jobs always put guys back on the book.
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There are plenty of good electricians that get laid off in the union. Big jobs always put guys back on the book.
This is true. But he was talking about guys who get laid off often and always complain about the contractors. Those guys tend to be the problem themselves.
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