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Old 09-01-2019, 11:06 PM   #1
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History: Floridian with 6 years experience and 4th year apprentice
Was a foreman for a year and then 4 months ago got ""promoted"" to commercial estimator/project manager.

So my original goals were to become a lineman here when I first got interested in doing electrical work, but because I had a record from when I was younger, not even the IBEW would take me in.

Long story short now ive moved into the office and I'm absolutely miserable. I hate managing people. I got salaried but with the hours I'm working I am making less than I would be out in the field. Maybe I'm just completely overwhelmed with it being new to me but I really dont think its my calling.

I am curious what other opportunities in other professions do sparkys get into that want out? I'm 30 well ready to take the pay cut that Ill inevitably have to get to change.

Ive thought about becoming an private home inspector (or gov possibly)
Or maybe get into fire alarm or something?

I really appreciate all the suggestions
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Old 09-01-2019, 11:11 PM   #2
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Everyone gets promoted to their level of incompetence, and you reached that level. I would suggest you go back to being an electrician.
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Well there's the sales counter with your favourite wholesaler.. Eventually you would want to become a sales manager and the problem begins again.

Home depot? Yeah it looks like it sucks but them old farts look happy.

Might be some openings in codes and compliance consulting.. But better off to try inspector type positions though.

Service calls and stuff like that in the trade.. Hot tub repair? Camera and internet and such maybe?

I'm watching to see what you come up with but I can't afford a drop in income so I'm staying on the tools.
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Hurricane preparedness consultant.


They probably do better than snow shovel salesmen down by you.
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If the hurricane is as bad as the news makes it out to be, home generator sales and install will spike for a while. That could be a direction to pursue. After the trunk slammers have left fixing storm damaged homes, you can also unfix the fixes.
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Think about what parts of the trade you did like, finding a niche like security or fire alarm helps. I do generators and that's my niche. Learning gas piping too. Find some way to make yourself happy soon or its going to be a long haul. Nothing wrong with making a change, but do it soon.
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History: Floridian with 6 years experience and 4th year apprentice
Was a foreman for a year and then 4 months ago got ""promoted"" to commercial estimator/project manager.

So my original goals were to become a lineman here when I first got interested in doing electrical work, but because I had a record from when I was younger, not even the IBEW would take me in.

Long story short now ive moved into the office and I'm absolutely miserable. I hate managing people. I got salaried but with the hours I'm working I am making less than I would be out in the field. Maybe I'm just completely overwhelmed with it being new to me but I really dont think its my calling.

I am curious what other opportunities in other professions do sparkys get into that want out? I'm 30 well ready to take the pay cut that Ill inevitably have to get to change.

Ive thought about becoming an private home inspector (or gov possibly)
Or maybe get into fire alarm or something?

I really appreciate all the suggestions
You have been rushed if you were a foreman as a third year and then moved into project management as a fourth year.

Now it sounds like you’re kind of bitter about the whole experience and want to just walk away and do something else. I don’t know how changing trades will make a difference because you could find yourself in the same spot in another four years except you’re a plumber.
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Agreed, that position won’t be any less stressful with a different trade. Maybe a switch to the service side of things might help. Some guys like it, others prefer construction. Whatever makes you happier.
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get a job with an hvac contractor. get licensed, run your own business. make money. you will never be out of work in Florida. and if you are (temporarily), go fishing.

fact is, managing people often sucks. Even if everyone you work with or that works for you is grade A, there will still be times that is sucks. It is life though. Dirty diapers, picking up dog poop, cleaning up vomit - all part of life as well. You just gotta deal with it, and develop ways to deal with it.
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Become a dry waller, those guys never seem to care about anything.
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Thanks everyone except those suggesting I kill myself.

Meeting a quota of 2 million in profit a year is overwhelming while having the 3rd choice hand-me-down foreman to run these projects. I also don't get to choose their rates so even if I did get a heavy hitter I couldn't afford him. I'm bidding 1-2 million dollar renovations and ground up warehouse centers but got handed a team of foreman with residential experience. I don't mind running a team but I have no control over who I have running these projects.

I'm not quitting because there is a lot of potential money in this, I just am just making a back up plan because that's smart to do. I haven't been stuck trying to find work through a recession but the possibility is real.

I can handle the pay cut for a bit because my fiance just started making more than me and we are really frugal with our finances.

Finding a niche is what I meant overall. Industrial controls is maybe something Ill look into as well. Even high rise building "engineers" make twice what I do and have twice the benefits.

I'm going to stick with this for as long as I can until I can put the few years experience on my resume, or until one of my projects goes south.
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Get to know people in the business, supply house sales guys, guys at the counter, other owners. Go to supply house events, their golf and fishing trips. You'd be surprised at what you can get meeting people there. Has helped me out. Start doing it now and its easier before you have a family if you choose to. I'm about the worlds worst golfer, but I enjoy it. Going on one of these gigs Friday. People become very important in any career as time goes on.
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You have been rushed if you were a foreman as a third year and then moved into project management as a fourth year.

Now it sounds like you’re kind of bitter about the whole experience and want to just walk away and do something else. I don’t know how changing trades will make a difference because you could find yourself in the same spot in another four years except you’re a plumber.
Yes...this^^^

You have been rushed into a position usually held by seasoned Master electricians who chose to go into the office. Go back to the field until you gain more experience, then go to the office before your body can't handle climbing ladders and crawling in attics.
I spent 2/3 of my career as a Chief Estimator with some PM along the way.
BTW...I hated PM, but loved estimating. Either position can pay six figures if you are experienced and really good....it did for me.
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Meeting a quota of 2 million in profit a year is overwhelming
That is a ridiculous quota....that means you would have to bid AND WIN $20 million of work based on a 10% profit (which is very unlikely), not to mention you would have to bid $200 million based on getting award 10% of jobs you bid (which is the norm).
You can't do that just being an estimator, let alone estimating/PM
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That is a ridiculous quota....that means you would have to bid AND WIN $20 million of work based on a 10% profit (which is very unlikely), not to mention you would have to bid $200 million based on getting award 10% of jobs you bid (which is the norm).
You can't do that just being an estimator, let alone estimating/PM
Oh, stop. I made $3 mil in profit last week. By Wednesday morning.
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Oh, stop. I made $3 mil in profit last week. By Wednesday morning.

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This is probably the only time I will agree with Hacky. That's nothing to joke about. I'll spare you the lecture, but, please reconsider that form of "humor". Thanks.
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