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Old 09-08-2019, 04:43 PM   #41
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I have done jobs in sac and if you don't use a rotosplit you will need red hats .

In Fresno everything is arc fault . In Santa Rosa no arc fault in kitchen .
I have had AHJ call me on over fill in a 12 inch nipple . That aint NEC but they will call it in some towns . We all know they make crap up and for the most part you just go with it to pass and move on .

I have had inspectors in sac call me on box fill 20 CU in a 20 CU box with a blank . He want a 22 CU . Its his little rule and you getting passed until you do it .

For those of you that have not worked in this state it is f-up .
NJ is also a liberal hell hole, and in many respects just as F'd up as Cali.

There are instances in which we know code doesn't require things that the inspectors want to see, and it's easier to just do them than make an enemy of the inspector. We all know that.

But this here is different. This is about someone openly lying to everyone here about crazy requirements actually being in written amendments. And how he won't spend the 20 seconds to show those amendments, but he will spend hours lying to us about them.

At some point the BS needs to stop.
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Old 09-08-2019, 05:00 PM   #42
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People like telsa must be called out on their lies. If not, the forum looses credibility and is devalued.

The forum is better off without these liars.
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True I have never seen what he is saying written but that don't mean its not and I have done a lot of work in sac . As far as posting the amendments I don't see why he won't its public information . I would but I'm quite a bit away from sac at the moment .

But I have had some of what he is saying called on inspection . I don't argue anymore I just do what they want . I have a job in Fresno where the inspector is calling some stupid crap that he wants done his way . No amendment from the city its just what he wants .
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So telsa is a "soft target"?

And asking someone to post amendments when they said that there are amendments is "bullying"?

And offering a rather large charitable donation for merely posting a picture or link is "pathetic"?

I see

I can't answer any of that, I just wanted to get you to admit you're the resident egomaniac.
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True I have never seen what he is saying written but that don't mean its not and I have done a lot of work in sac . As far as posting the amendments I don't see why he won't its public information . I would but I'm quite a bit away from sac at the moment .

But I have had some of what he is saying called on inspection . I don't argue anymore I just do what they want . I have a job in Fresno where the inspector is calling some stupid crap that he wants done his way . No amendment from the city its just what he wants .
Oh definitely. Back when I was running larger commercial jobs I made all the guys use redheads because inspectors would give us crap about it.

I'll do that now too, but only up to a certain point. "Pick your battles".
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True I have never seen what he is saying written but that don't mean its not and I have done a lot of work in sac . As far as posting the amendments I don't see why he won't its public information . I would but I'm quite a bit away from sac at the moment .

But I have had some of what he is saying called on inspection . I don't argue anymore I just do what they want . I have a job in Fresno where the inspector is calling some stupid crap that he wants done his way . No amendment from the city its just what he wants .
There are times when it's just easier to give them what they want and there are times when you need to step up and challenge it in a respectful, intelligent and progressional manner.

Your not helping the industry by being submissive to them all the time.
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I can't answer any of that, I just wanted to get you to admit you're the resident egomaniac.
If I thought I was, I would admit it. I really would. I'm brutally honest.

Don't forget, I'm the one who told everyone about the missing testicle, the anal fissure, the anal fistula, etc. I talk about my downfalls all the time. Things most people wouldn't admit.

As far as what you called my "pathetic little so called business", if I was an egomaniac I would say how great it is, but I have said many times that I still don't make what I would make in the union ($125K plus huge pension, annuity, and free healthcare).

So the whole thing about being an egomaniac is just something that you falsely used to try to attack me.

Now that we settled that, is there anything else I can do for you?
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There are times when it's just easier to give them what they want and there are times when you need to step up and challenge it in a respectful, intelligent and progressional manner.

Your not helping the industry by being submissive to them all the time.
True im not . The thing is I just want the job to keep going . Sac had an Inspector that once you argue he just hammers on you for knowing more that him . I can't have that . Power hungry pricks have to be dealt with and I have gone over the heads to the top man and won . That didn't stop the crap just made it worse . inspectors are like cops most are chill and work with you . Few just are abusing the power they have . Ive asked some inspectors why is that guy that way . They know he is an idiot but it is what it is . Hard to fire them .
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It's strange but as far as I know states, counties, and municipalities are not required to make their laws readily publicly available. OH yes you are obligated to obey the laws, but they are not obligated to make it easy to know the law.

If you think about it, it's a bit of a pisser that when adopted the NEC (and IBC and etc.) are law but you are not necessarily entitled to a free copy, or free access at the city hall or something.

I read about a movement to make all codes transparent and publicly available on government web sites, and it makes sense to me, but I never heard about it getting any traction.

The NEC would present a challenge, the NFPA is a non-government agency, it wouldn't be fair to appropriate their copyrighted work and make it public because a government adopts it as law; but maybe that would be a kind of eminent domain situation. But I'd be shocked if it ever changed from the current setup, just too few people give a damn.
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True im not . The thing is I just want the job to keep going . Sac had an Inspector that once you argue he just hammers on you for knowing more that him . I can't have that . Power hungry pricks have to be dealt with and I have gone over the heads to the top man and won . That didn't stop the crap just made it worse . inspectors are like cops most are chill and work with you . Few just are abusing the power they have . Ive asked some inspectors why is that guy that way . They know he is an idiot but it is what it is . Hard to fire them .
We have all had our moments with difficult inspectors and yes, we all have done what they want to keep them happy, even though it may not be a requirement but some things will cost you large so there better be an actual amendment or code.

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It's a Sac County amendment

4) Rotosplits compulsory. Dudes have been fired for their first offense - first day on the job.
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our AHJ demand that non-Rotosplit MC must come out of the building.

YES, it's been done.
Having to remove wire and replace it because a rotosplit was not used? Dudes getting fired? This is a huge cost to the EC and I would want to see the actual amendment. This is not one of those little things you do to keep them happy.
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It's strange but as far as I know states, counties, and municipalities are not required to make their laws readily publicly available. OH yes you are obligated to obey the laws, but they are not obligated to make it easy to know the law.

If you think about it, it's a bit of a pisser that when adopted the NEC (and IBC and etc.) are law but you are not necessarily entitled to a free copy, or free access at the city hall or something.

I read about a movement to make all codes transparent and publicly available on government web sites, and it makes sense to me, but I never heard about it getting any traction.

The NEC would present a challenge, the NFPA is a non-government agency, it wouldn't be fair to appropriate their copyrighted work and make it public because a government adopts it as law; but maybe that would be a kind of eminent domain situation. But I'd be shocked if it ever changed from the current setup, just too few people give a damn.
Same goes for Canadian code but we post codes all the time. Either from a PDF that we have on our phones or a pic of the actual book.
Provincial amendments are public and available on the web.
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The NFPA was required to put the NEC (and all other codes that have been adopted) online for free. https://www.nfpa.org/NEC/About-the-N...ical-standards The NEC can also be found inside of many local laws where it has been adopted.
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At this point we are all trying to find excuses as to why telsa won't post the amendments, when we all know the real truth why he won't post them
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If I thought I was, I would admit it. I really would. I'm brutally honest.

You did admit it. I didn't direct the post to you, but you responded as though I did. Only an egomaniac would do that.
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Don't forget, I'm the one who told everyone about the missing testicle, the anal fissure, the anal fistula, etc. I talk about my downfalls all the time. Things most people wouldn't admit.

I doubt anyone cares about your physical maladies, or if they're even real.
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As far as what you called my "pathetic little so called business", if I was an egomaniac I would say how great it is, but I have said many times that I still don't make what I would make in the union ($125K plus huge pension, annuity, and free healthcare).

Yea... I'm not convinced you were ever in the union. I think you're just making that up.
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So the whole thing about being an egomaniac is just something that you falsely used to try to attack me.

No, I just put it out there and you latched on to the irresistible bait. Something only an egomaniac would do. If anyone here is going to be accused of attacking, I definitely shouldn't be you.
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A local AHJ once told me he wasn't sure he was going to make it as inspector until he read his last name in a derogatory rhyming phrase vandalized on the wall in the electrical supplier bathroom.
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True im not . The thing is I just want the job to keep going . Sac had an Inspector that once you argue he just hammers on you for knowing more that him . I can't have that . Power hungry pricks have to be dealt with and I have gone over the heads to the top man and won . That didn't stop the crap just made it worse . inspectors are like cops most are chill and work with you . Few just are abusing the power they have . Ive asked some inspectors why is that guy that way . They know he is an idiot but it is what it is . Hard to fire them .
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For what it's worth, I remember Hax when he was in the union and defending them online. At EKR forum. Which existed before this forum became. I do also believe Lawn Guy was the resident asshat at that forum as well as he is here.

I'm more pro union than against. I was never a member, but it wasn't all by my own choice. My son is Union. I am extremely happy he is. As for me, I did the next best thing I could which is outbid , out perform, and outwit them at every chance I could.

As for the subject of this thread in general. We have one inspector here who likes to announce to his peer's "lets see how much I can cost ______contractor today whenever he goes out to do an inspection for any of the hundreds of non union ec's on this island. Otherwise , what I will say about him is he is quite funny and is actually a pretty good fella once he gets to know you do good work. Just like the harass type of drill sergeant or school teacher- you have to show competence first before he lets off his bully of you .
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For what it's worth, I remember Hax when he was in the union and defending them online. At EKR forum. Which existed before this forum became. I do also believe Lawn Guy was the resident asshat at that forum as well as he is here.
I took this picture 10 years ago when another member questioned me. He said that he didn't believe that I was in a union because what I was saying was "anti-union".

What I was saying wasn't anti-union, it was just honest. Unlike other people, I will say the truth even if it is against my "side".

LGLS cant understand that, so he comes up with petty insults like saying that "I was never even in the union".

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Hey look, I guess I also hacked into the referral website that only union members have access to
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LGLS is a nice guy, he saw how bad telsa was making himself look so he figured he would jump in and make an ass out of himself as well
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What's the point? Telsa won't show his face in this thread anymore. He will let those cancer children die without the $500 donation.
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