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Old 03-03-2018, 08:14 PM   #21
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Do you actually have to tell the Union about the conviction?

Over here certain types of conviction can be classed as "spent" after certain time periods and people legally do not have to declare them to employers in many circumstances.
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Old 03-03-2018, 09:20 PM   #22
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In arizona you can't get felonies romoved
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My brother had his felony taken off the books. An attorney was required. ( ~ $7,000 in fees )

It does require years of 'clean living.'

So, it can be done. Consult an attorney.

BTW, a drunken bar-fight is seen in a different light than a sober brawl at a construction site.

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You must have had a TERRIBLE attorney 'defending' you.

Your sanction implies that you started the fight and fought dirty.
Yeah man, Im not going to go into the details of it but basically it was three guys word against mine, It was self defense but I didn't really have money to go to trail and they offered me a plea deal with no jail time so I took it
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That is true and that is the case with most employers. They don't have to tell you the reason why they didn't hire you. However there have been class action lawsuits filed against employers for discriminating when they demonstrate a pattern of illegal hiring practices

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In california any company that rescinds a job offer based on record has to provide a reason why your record would prevent you from doing the job and allow you to explain. Theyre not allowed to ask about record in initial application anymore but some how union gets around it. When I applied with the San Diego local they said it would be hard for me to get work on military bases but didn't out right deny me, I just never heard back from them.
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Check into having your record expunged. I don't know much about it, only heard of it but it's worth looking into.
That's what I was going to say. I've known one man that had an old DUI and one woman that had an old shoplifting charge expunged. They spent more on attorney's fees and court fees to get the expungement done than some people spend fighting a charge in the first place. It can be done, but my gut tells me 3 years is a little "fresh" yet.
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In california any company that rescinds a job offer based on record has to provide a reason why your record would prevent you from doing the job and allow you to explain. Theyre not allowed to ask about record in initial application anymore but some how union gets around it. When I applied with the San Diego local they said it would be hard for me to get work on military bases but didn't out right deny me, I just never heard back from them.
The union doesn't "get around it". The union is not an employer, it is a membership based group in which freedom of association and assembly is protected by the Constitution.
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Yeah man, Im not going to go into the details of it but basically it was three guys word against mine, It was self defense but I didn't really have money to go to trail and they offered me a plea deal with no jail time so I took it
That was an incredibly foolish decision.

There was no chance that any jury would slam you with such a charge -- merely because there were more guys than you in a bar fight.

It sounds like you represented yourself. Even a public defender would refuse that deal.

If a public defender DID represent you... with this deal... then you have grounds to have the trial over-turned based upon gross incompetence of the public defender.

BTW, you don't have to spend a THIN DIME on a public defender nor anything else.

As a defendant, you don't have to spend any money whatsoever.

You get a public defender -- automatically -- at no charge. It's everybody else that has to pay up.

Even if you lost on all points, no jury would EVER slam you with a full felony sentence over a bar fight. It's just not done.

The automatic presumption is that all concerned were drunk then and are lying now. This means that the Other Guy's testimony is hugely discounted. Typically the jury is hung and the defendant walks away Scot free.

Indeed, until you opened your yap there was a very strong possibility that the DA would drop the case. That's right, you wouldn't even go to court. The case... it's too weak. That's why the offer given to you was for no time to be served. Get it?

It sounds like you fell for the DA's BS.

You turned a real headache into a few pieces of paper... for him.

BTW, my Uncle WAS a DA. He sent more than 2,000 players to San Quentin. He had a staff of 700 attorneys, too. So I've heard from the horse's mouth many a tale of how a DA thinks.
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