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Old 12-17-2016, 11:33 AM   #1
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Default Just move the overhead service drop.

So I went to look at a job for moving a service drop and the possibility to make it an underground. There is an in-ground pool being installed and the lines are currently directly overhead of the future pool location.
So I'm thinking that it would be best to just put it underground and avoid the pool area.

First issue, there is a large new patio directly over the area where I would put the conduit.

Second issue, Here is the overhead service drop, that's where it attaches to the structure... wait, what, wheres the meter... or even a disconnect?
The line attaches to the house, routes around a corner 2 stories up and disappears through the interior of the back of the house somewhere on the 2nd floor. No sign of it after that.

The panel, or panels (5 of them) are in the middle of the finished basement about 50ft from the outside wall where the overhead attaches. Looks like one 200A main and 4 sub-panels all in a row crammed into a small area behind a finished wall that was built around them with small cabinet doors in front of each panel to access the breakers, but barely enough room to even remove the panel covers.

But wait I still haven't found the meter. Cleaning lady shows me a small cabinet in the kitchen pantry on an inside wall. "Isn't this the meter", she asks. No No that can't be it, I'm thinking. Sure as s**t it was the meter crammed into a small cabinet and caked with so much yellow expanding foam you can't even get the cover off of it.

It appears to me, and I have no idea how this passed an inspection, but it looks like the service hit the side of the house, traveled about 35-40ft. horizontally across the back of the house then down 15-20ft to a meter. Then a large addition was put on the back of house covering up the approx. 50ft. of non-fused service wire that's now burred in the house somewhere and leaving the meter in it's original location which ended up being the new kitchen pantry.
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Any feeling of the owners desire/ability to pay a big bill?
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before you run away from that job, be sure to wipe you fingerprints.
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Not sure, but it will be a large cost.
Basically I'm going to see if the utility company can install another pole with a straight shot underground to the back corner of the house.
Have the landscape company dig out a section of the new patio and replace later.
Then upgrade them to a 300A with a meter, disco & trough on the exterior.
Cut a huge chase out of the basement ceiling drywall across most of the basement to the panel area.
Cut out a chunk of the wall where the panels are now and re-feed the one existing panel and feed a new second panel which will replace one of the existing subs.
Then get a carpenter and drywall contractor to fix the basement.

Then they can proceed to build the pool and landscape.
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Why not bury it under the pool? I'm just asking because nobody builds giant in ground ice cubes around here.
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Sounds like one of those "do i really want this one" kind of jobs
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So the job isn't a straitforward service replacement, you also need to eliminate a pre-existing abortion of an installation. Think outdoor metermain with room to feed an outdoor pool panel.
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So I went to look at a job for moving a service drop and the possibility to make it an underground. There is an in-ground pool being installed and the lines are currently directly overhead of the future pool location.
So I'm thinking that it would be best to just put it underground and avoid the pool area.

First issue, there is a large new patio directly over the area where I would put the conduit.

Second issue, Here is the overhead service drop, that's where it attaches to the structure... wait, what, wheres the meter... or even a disconnect?
The line attaches to the house, routes around a corner 2 stories up and disappears through the interior of the back of the house somewhere on the 2nd floor. No sign of it after that.

The panel, or panels (5 of them) are in the middle of the finished basement about 50ft from the outside wall where the overhead attaches. Looks like one 200A main and 4 sub-panels all in a row crammed into a small area behind a finished wall that was built around them with small cabinet doors in front of each panel to access the breakers, but barely enough room to even remove the panel covers.

But wait I still haven't found the meter. Cleaning lady shows me a small cabinet in the kitchen pantry on an inside wall. "Isn't this the meter", she asks. No No that can't be it, I'm thinking. Sure as s**t it was the meter crammed into a small cabinet and caked with so much yellow expanding foam you can't even get the cover off of it.

It appears to me, and I have no idea how this passed an inspection, but it looks like the service hit the side of the house, traveled about 35-40ft. horizontally across the back of the house then down 15-20ft to a meter. Then a large addition was put on the back of house covering up the approx. 50ft. of non-fused service wire that's now burred in the house somewhere and leaving the meter in it's original location which ended up being the new kitchen pantry.
If they can afford a pool in New Jersey, they can afford you.
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Not sure, but it will be a large cost.
Basically I'm going to see if the utility company can install another pole with a straight shot underground to the back corner of the house.
Have the landscape company dig out a section of the new patio and replace later.
Then upgrade them to a 300A with a meter, disco & trough on the exterior.
Cut a huge chase out of the basement ceiling drywall across most of the basement to the panel area.
Cut out a chunk of the wall where the panels are now and re-feed the one existing panel and feed a new second panel which will replace one of the existing subs.
Then get a carpenter and drywall contractor to fix the basement.

Then they can proceed to build the pool and landscape.
I don't really understand the 300 amp service since a 400 is the same cost but so be it. Hire the carpenter or drywaller but stay away from the landscaper. You can cut the drywall yourself.
Honestly looks like a nice "little" $15K job with out the pool included. Drywall is cheap. Hire a cleaning crew for $300 and get this thing done.
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If they can afford a pool in New Jersey, they can afford you.
One would think but there are more huge houses without furniture or even window treatments in NJ than any other state I've ever been in.
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Well the landscape company is who I'm providing the estimate to. I do regular work for them. They are a pretty big company that do some massive jobs.
They dig all my trenches too.

300A or 400A, I haven't really figured that out yet.

I won't be removing the old service wire inside because it can't be accessed.
I'll just get rid of the meter in the pantry.
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If they can afford a pool in New Jersey, they can afford you.
The location of the pool was selected because it overlooks NYC skyline.
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May want to notify the electric company of the situation. They may force the owner to have it moved outside so it can be serviced by technician. Then money is no object, they have to get it done.
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Electric company has to be able to pull meter when working on service for back feed purposes
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How was the meter being read?

I would tell them I am not touching that old mess and if you want me to do any work to it it will be my way.
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How was the meter being read?

I would tell them I am not touching that old mess and if you want me to do any work to it it will be my way.
I'm not leaving anything existing, except I would leave the 3 or 4 existing panels. I would redo everything from the utility pole to the panel. New meter and disconnect outside.

We'll see if they go for the big price tag on this job. If I'm going to involve myself in the clean up then I'll make it worth my time.
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Well the landscape company is who I'm providing the estimate to. I do regular work for them. They are a pretty big company that do some massive jobs.
They dig all my trenches too.

300A or 400A, I haven't really figured that out yet.

I won't be removing the old service wire inside because it can't be accessed.
I'll just get rid of the meter in the pantry.
320 meter, or 400 ct price for parts differ, similar, and you can utilize 320 at a higher percentage rating.

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A resi 400 here typically is a 320 without cts. I have a 400 and 600 amp service that I have worked on with cts, but not too common.
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