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Old 01-29-2019, 02:17 PM   #21
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How can you not do LOTO these days?

The way I understand things, if you are an employee & have received LOTO training then if you get hurt because you did NOT lock something out then not only can you be fired but your chances of getting any damage settlement are next to none.

Itís not worth taking the chance.
Ahh a common sense approach, very logical!
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Old 01-29-2019, 04:36 PM   #22
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Ahh a common sense approach, very logical!
Iím not a lawyer but I played one on TV once.
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Iím not a lawyer but I played one on TV once.
Actors influence a lot of American's choices!
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Actors influence a lot of American's choices!
All too true, and sadly, the majority of actors are complete imbeciles.......

I honestly don't know who is dumber though, the actors or the fools who take every word they say as Gospel truth.
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All too true, and sadly, the majority of actors are complete imbeciles.......

I honestly don't know who is dumber though, the actors or the fools who take every word they say as Gospel truth.
I'd say they run neck and neck and some should have their necks stretched together for the idiotic things they say and do.
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Always when working on equipment. The possibility of electric shock does not concern me as much as a 50 + HP machine crushing or tearing my body apart.
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Always when working on equipment. The possibility of electric shock does not concern me as much as a 50 + HP machine crushing or tearing my body apart.
Yeah that could be a real downer!
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Always when working on equipment. The possibility of electric shock does not concern me as much as a 50 + HP machine crushing or tearing my body apart.
Did some contract work in a GM stamping plant for awhile. In addition to LOTO if you needed to get inside of these huge presses (2500 ton) you had to put in temp pillars to keep it from accidentally coming down.....except one guy didnít one time. It was the last time for him. Horrible sight!!
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Did some contract work in a GM stamping plant for awhile. In addition to LOTO if you needed to get inside of these huge presses (2500 ton) you had to put in temp pillars to keep it from accidentally coming down.....except one guy didnít one time. It was the last time for him. Horrible sight!!
I have never felt comfortable working on stamping presses- either when I am doing the work or especially thinking about someone else, after I finish, placing some of their body in the machine when loading or removing parts.

It is for me, certainly a "please don't mess up and cause someone to be hurt."
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Did some contract work in a GM stamping plant for awhile. In addition to LOTO if you needed to get inside of these huge presses (2500 ton) you had to put in temp pillars to keep it from accidentally coming down.....except one guy didnít one time. It was the last time for him. Horrible sight!!
Wow, I never saw a large press that would just come down without hydraulic pressure (pump running).
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Wow, I never saw a large press that would just come down without hydraulic pressure (pump running).
I have see it few time with large hydrallic press do come down without power and some of the press will lock up postion and when the power go out and it will very slowly creep down and it can get spooky when it does that.

that why I work one company before and they have policy saying on hydrallic press it must have blockout piller to place it to prevent dropping down and if you ever see a large press break the connecting rod ? now that is freaking fun to fix it.,, I been there few time so far and it is a 48 hour repair on 1800 ton press. the master head weight about 70 tons that without any die heads on it and once you add die heads the weight will go up about 200 ish tons give or take few so you can see why .,, yuh half is on the ram cylinders and other half is on the base.
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I have see it few time with large hydrallic press do come down without power and some of the press will lock up postion and when the power go out and it will very slowly creep down and it can get spooky when it does that.

that why I work one company before and they have policy saying on hydrallic press it must have blockout piller to place it to prevent dropping down and if you ever see a large press break the connecting rod ? now that is freaking fun to fix it.,, I been there few time so far and it is a 48 hour repair on 1800 ton press. the master head weight about 70 tons that without any die heads on it and once you add die heads the weight will go up about 200 ish tons give or take few so you can see why .,, yuh half is on the ram cylinders and other half is on the base.
I have seen them creep down but wouldn't figure a guy would get caught in that type.
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I have seen them creep down but wouldn't figure a guy would get caught in that type.
Saw a G&L machining center head do it once. There was a pinhole in the lift ram hydraulics. With the pump off, the pressure bled and the head cocked and got caught. The mechanic pulled the way covers and the whole mess came down. Broke his ankle.
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Saw a G&L machining center head do it once. There was a pinhole in the lift ram hydraulics. With the pump off, the pressure bled and the head cocked and got caught. The mechanic pulled the way covers and the whole mess came down. Broke his ankle.
Damn, that would suck!
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Wow, I never saw a large press that would just come down without hydraulic pressure (pump running).
It was a long time ago & donít remember all of the details but I think he might have taken a few other shortcuts too.
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I was always concerned about the old reciprocating presses where the only thing stopping the ram is an air clutch/brake and 30+ year old "safety controls".

I have seen both rods and crankshafts break in these type machines. Luckily no injuries.

I got a call once that "the machine was running slow". I knew that there was no VFD on this machine. The problem was that the operator, nor anyone at the plant, put oil in the reservoir so the bearings were running dry and seizing.
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I use mine all the time doing maintenance. Like eddy current's example we have a lot of "helpful" people wandering around. Besides it's the law here.

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Yep, you can get some lighter weight locks than in your picture(will hang on breaker easier) and it doesn't take anytime to do. I don't know how but I do get complacent and work on things hot but try to catch myself and go turn it off, tunnel vision or whatever.
My locks are the plastic Master 406 series. I think the key weighs more than the lock which is nice when you have to carry them around all the time.

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LOTO if I can't see the disconnect up close. If major work lift leads, I have seen operators cut locks off and turn switch back on because " I need to move the ____"
That's an instant firing offense any site I've been on (plus a likely beating in the parking lot after I'd guess)
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Have been better at LOTTO lately, since going out on my own. Picked up a pretty good kit and am using it more and more.

When I worked plant maintenance at a machine shop my boss walked with a hell of a wobble/limp. Was permanently off the tools. He was an electrician. He was working inside one of the machine tools and told the operator to engage a certain function so he could measure something. Forgot that the table would home itself every time before moving to the next function. Crushed him.
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For years I almost never did it. Then one day working on a residential home someone turned on a breaker I was working on, that hurt a little more than a tingle.

Out here a lot of the panels have a tab for a lock, so I just turn off the breaker and lock out the whole panel.

We are in the middle of doing a commercial night club in downtown SF. We locked out the breaker and someone managed to get it off. (Multiple jobs in the same building by different EC's).

Fortunately none of us got hurt before we realized what had happened. We disconnected the wires from the breaker, saved them off and then removed the breaker (A nice hard to find obsolete unit).

No one can turn on the power now.
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