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Old 03-08-2014, 01:24 PM   #21
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Sorry, but when I did resi all the grounds were done 1st, spin 'em all up into one tight twisty cable and put them under one big screw in the neutral bar. Landing each one individually well... that's just not productive. And when you think about it, when you're working on anything are you really thinking about taking more time because a faster method might negatively impact some future electrician? C'mon...
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Old 03-08-2014, 02:29 PM   #22
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I might actually be the one that comes back to work on it so I do it as such. I have seen some beautifully done panels with the twisty method, but just choose not to do it that way.
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I wish Mayor Bloomberg would bankroll Obama, so we can get the law changed, so Obama can run for a third term.
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I might actually be the one that comes back to work on it so I do it as such. I have seen some beautifully done panels with the twisty method, but just choose not to do it that way.
While I understand and agree with your opinion here, I need to point out that most jobs of this nature, you will never come back to work on them again. Seriously. Most services will outlive you.

I understand your point quite well, and its a very good point I might add, but how many services have you replaced that you originally installed?
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In all honesty, some of it comes down to how we were taught and dammit, that's the only way it should be done. Poking some fun at myself.
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Sorry, but when I did resi all the grounds were done 1st, spin 'em all up into one tight twisty cable and put them under one big screw in the neutral bar. Landing each one individually well... that's just not productive. And when you think about it, when you're working on anything are you really thinking about taking more time because a faster method might negatively impact some future electrician? C'mon...
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Somebody like you would.
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In all honesty, some of it comes down to how we were taught and dammit, that's the only way it should be done. Poking some fun at myself.
Nothing wrong with that man. Im not busting chops, I understand where your coming from. I had a very similar outlook on things for quite a while, but competing against so many cut-throat jack-legs has turned my motives now to the bottom dollar and cost effective installation methods instead of worrying about the next guy.
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It should be noted that twisting all the grounds together and putting them under one terminal is likely a listing violation of the terminal. I've never seen one rated for more than 3 EGC's under one terminal. Oh, and it's hack work too.
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I could see why it was done in some of the older panels where the amount of neutral bar space wasn't exactly generous.
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Just cut that EGC candy cane off short and pigtail a #10 or 8 or whatever out of it with a big blue wire nut
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Just cut that EGC candy cane off short and pigtail a #10 or 8 or whatever out of it with a big blue wire nut
That'd work.....





......be a real beotch swapping the can though.
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I could see why it was done in some of the older panels where the amount of neutral bar space wasn't exactly generous.
Didn't matter. It's just the way grounds were treated, and it was acceptable. Same thing in a 3-gang switch - twist all the grounds, chop all but one off, and loop all the switches. No wirenut necessary. Nobody died. Gotta dig that 3-gang out to install a 4 gang? Not my problem.
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You mentioned that the old panel was shot on the wall and you had to fight it to remove it.
I can usually pop them off with a hammer and chisel but if they give me any trouble at all, I get my .27 cal Hilti gun out and shoot them all the way through.

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