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Old 11-26-2011, 04:55 PM   #101
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whats a basement?
If I insult you, will you rent a van to come out and beat me up? Then I'll show you what a basement is.
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Old 11-26-2011, 05:33 PM   #102
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I usually leave that sleeve in to pass right into the cabinets.
That's cool, but LFNMC does not provide mechanical protection per the sited article.
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Old 11-26-2011, 05:34 PM   #103
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If I insult you, will you rent a van to come out and beat me up? Then I'll show you what a basement is.
No, ill go check out that rapists/kidnappers basement over in the outskirts of my town. you probably heard of him, he made the news.
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Old 11-26-2011, 05:35 PM   #104
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That's cool, but LFNMC does not provide mechanical protection per the sited article.
In that case I would just remove the LFNMC altogether.
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That's cool, but LFNMC does not provide mechanical protection per the sited article.
Yes maybe not, but what exactly is this mechanical protection required for?

Meteorite going to hit the house? Shockdock's sleeve is ******ed. Just stick the romex up thru the wood floor, and if the ****** trades mess it up, backcharge for the repair. Them guys need to have their heads all stove in anyway, such jackass behavior to stomp all over somebody else's work ..... Are they also allowed to bang into anybody's car they choose, just cause the car was in the way when they needed to drive to the job? Kids better stay off the street, cause some real important drywallers are coming thru. Same goes for the woodchucks that forgot to put in all the backing in the kitchen, they get to shoot nails thru any wire that is where they think wood is supposed to go. I refuse to give in to the ****** trades. Make the GC pay until the crap stops.
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Old 11-26-2011, 06:00 PM   #106
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You Romex guys have it made. It must be nice to just drill a hole anywhere you want. Thanks for posting some pictures Brings back memories.
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Reminded of wiring method oldtimer showed me years ago in tract house job. He would take 4 or 5 pull chain lights and spot'em in basement. Each was 15 amp/cir and that was our start or end point for our lighting and 15 amp loads (bedroom/halls/ect). Sweet trick and I have used it to this day and we wired thru wall and he would yell at me "keep it ta 7 or 8 devices kid". It always worked out and was simple rope method.
That's how i wired houses when i could. Each lighting / outlet homer started on the 2nd floor, hit 5 or 6 dropped down to 1rst floor hit a few then ended as a pull chain, basement gfi, basement smoke ect, that way if a line got cut or missed it could be refed through the basement where the panel was. Cut or missed linea never really happened but it made labeling the panel that much quicker.
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but by gawd, there's enough of 'em Mac....~CS~
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That's how i wired houses when i could. Each lighting / outlet homer started on the 2nd floor, hit 5 or 6 dropped down to 1rst floor hit a few then ended as a pull chain, basement gfi, basement smoke ect, that way if a line got cut or missed it could be refed through the basement where the panel was. Cut or missed linea never really happened but it made labeling the panel that much quicker.
Wait, so, it would go from basement panel, to second floor, and eventually back down to the basement again? That seems like a lot of wire although being able to refeed seems handy.
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Old 11-27-2011, 12:12 AM   #110
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That was a trick used in most of the post war housing stock I encounter here, but especially common in the 50's and 60's houses.

Nowadays, I consider basement lights on pullchains to be hack work.
So in a 1200sq ft unfinished basement how do you light it?
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I think it looks good,good time spent to.I am going to give this a try
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I only drink on two occasions... When I'm with someone, and when I'm by myself.
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It must be an odd or even date or I dont touch the stuffor be on this forum.....
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So in a 1200sq ft unfinished basement how do you light it?
With keyless lampholders and a switch?
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With keyless lampholders and a switch?
So if you have say 5 lights in basement area you want all of them to come on at once with that method?
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Islands etc: I leave the loop below,drill and install after the piece is placed.


This part scares me!

"those Airtight IC hihats were made for 8" joist, I got them to fit into 6" framing by slicing 2" off the top of the box. The UL police are going to kick my door in.)

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So if you have say 5 lights in basement area you want all of them to come on at once with that method?
Keyless lampholders and two switches?
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Wait, so, it would go from basement panel, to second floor, and eventually back down to the basement again? That seems like a lot of wire although being able to refeed seems handy.
Yup, all the homeruns were pulled at once through the attic and trickle down to the basement. That way I never had to drill holes across the basement. Three or four is all. It's a big time save if done correctly. This was always done with4 or 5 hard working guys that were all on the same page and could go into a 2800 square foot rough at 6am and leave at 5or6pm with it roughed in 100%.
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I like pull chains in an unfinished basement. 1: it gives you options if/when ho finishes basement. 2: they are easy to convert to jbox to alter lighting reqirement in finish project. 3: you don't waste time and $ running sw legs you really don't need or know where they may be wanted in the future layout if it gets finished. I run a 3way top/bot of stairs, then 4/5 pull chain. Easy neat and save 100' wire plus trim outs.
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