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Old 02-15-2015, 11:03 PM   #1
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How many of you guys use a nail on box as a splice box/junction box in an attic? Is this a code violation?
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Old 02-15-2015, 11:06 PM   #2
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All the time, and no it's not.
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The best splicebox for attics. No connectors to tighten. I go up there with a hammer and dikes, wagos, and a few staples. I use the quick clip boxes so i push the plate screws in.
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Especially in the summer ,faster and easier . Why would you think it wouldn't be allowed ??
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that's my preferred method with NM
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Never and no it's not.
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i just use a handy box or a four square depending on wire size, etc.
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I asked because one of my former employers said he failed an inspection because the inspector said a nail on box is considered a device box and not a junction box. Where I work now they use nail ons and have never had any issues. I am used to using four squares myself.
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We've used them before in attics but typically we use 4 squares. That's an interesting point about device vs junction box.

Are there any listings for what can be used as a junction only box?

What if you remove a device, leave a splice, and blank cover the single gang box?

Is that unacceptable? I don't think so
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I thought the best method for an attic splice was a few wirenuts and a wrap of Tartan.
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Done it more times than I can count. When was the last time you saw an inspector in an attic? If they can't see it the can't call it and if they don't call it, it's not a violation.
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I asked because one of my former employers said he failed an inspection because the inspector said a nail on box is considered a device box and not a junction box. Where I work now they use nail ons and have never had any issues. I am used to using four squares myself.
That inspector has no business inspecting a flashlight for correct wiring, let alone a house.
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..... the blank faceplates for nail on boxes are not as sturdy as the 4'' plastic blank covers for the bakelite or blue 4'' square ones, so you are doing hack work again. How many times I got to straighten you ... out........
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I always use the unbreakable, so it's all good!

Around here, the homeowners prefer ivory because they all have that odd, dated Midwestern taste. Attic j box gotta match!
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.... the blank faceplates for nail on boxes are not as sturdy as the 4'' plastic blank covers for the bakelite or blue 4'' square ones, so you are doing hack work again. How many times I got to straighten you ... out........
I use those hard gray plastic Carlon handy box covers whenever I use a single gang nail on for a junction box. It's way less hack than using a phenolic plate.

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Why nail the box. The inspector will never know.
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I asked because one of my former employers said he failed an inspection because the inspector said a nail on box is considered a device box and not a junction box. Where I work now they use nail ons and have never had any issues. I am used to using four squares myself.
I'd love to see the code reference on that. (what a bunch of horse crap)
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I'd love to see the code reference on that. (what a bunch of horse crap)
This is what a lot of inspectors enjoy doing. I bet at Mike Holt they would mostly agree with your inspector after ten pages of debate.
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