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Old 07-23-2018, 11:51 AM   #1
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These people got lucky. The electrician was called because the house was hit by lightning. My friend went to enter the basement but the homeowner warned him that there was a dead animal down there. He open the door and quickly stopped the owner from turning on the lights. He recognized the smell of LP gas and told her to call the gas company.

They found this piece of Csst that had been hit by lightning. The pic is accurate as it is hard to even see the hole when you are holding the pipe. Just a pin hole which fortunately didn't create a torch effect that is so often the case with csst being hit by lightning. It wasn't hard to convince her in an upgrade to bond the piping. The hole is on the 3rd spiral from the left. The jacket was ripped right off of the piping.

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These people got lucky. The electrician was called because the house was hit by lightning. My friend went to enter the basement but the homeowner warned him that there was a dead animal down there. He open the door and quickly stopped the owner from turning on the lights. He recognized the smell of LP gas and told her to call the gas company.

They found this piece of Csst that had been hit by lightning. The pic is accurate as it is hard to even see the hole when you are holding the pipe. Just a pin hole which fortunately didn't create a torch effect that is so often the case with csst being hit by lightning. It wasn't hard to convince her in an upgrade to bond the piping. The hole is on the 3rd spiral from the left. The jacket was ripped right off of the piping.

Sorry but this site is for electrical contractors only. Playing with gas lines is dangerous and should only be done by professionals.

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These people got lucky. The electrician was called because the house was hit by lightning. My friend went to enter the basement but the homeowner warned him that there was a dead animal down there. He open the door and quickly stopped the owner from turning on the lights. He recognized the smell of LP gas and told her to call the gas company.

They found this piece of Csst that had been hit by lightning. The pic is accurate as it is hard to even see the hole when you are holding the pipe. Just a pin hole which fortunately didn't create a torch effect that is so often the case with csst being hit by lightning. It wasn't hard to convince her in an upgrade to bond the piping. The hole is on the 3rd spiral from the left. The jacket was ripped right off of the piping.


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The gas pipe was done by professionals.. Gas company fixed it not the EC.
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Not being from lighting country.... Would there be a much different outcome from rigid gas piping being used?

I would think maybe..... but what do I know.....
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Not being from lighting country.... Would there be a much different outcome from rigid gas piping being used?

I would think maybe..... but what do I know.....
I am under the impression that this is a new issue with the flexible gas lines due to the small wall thickness.
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Not being from lighting country.... Would there be a much different outcome from rigid gas piping being used?

I would think maybe..... but what do I know.....
Never seen it get a hole blown in it.
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I am under the impression that this is a new issue with the flexible gas lines due to the small wall thickness.
It been going on for a while senice the CSST tubing came out.

there were some heads up few years back I dont recall when the notice came out but I know it been few years so most gas company is already aware of it.

I have few over here in Philippines too so pretty much international event anyway.

but there is couple remedy for this mess one is run the exteral bonding conductors on all the CSST tubings.

the other option is replace with ridge conduit that will useally take care of it. so one of the two will slove it.
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The Csst industry was sued and had a 100 million dollar lawsuit. They would pay to have the piping bonded however that only lasted a few years and has been over for many years. Problem was that no one knew about the lawsuit and thus the company, AFAIK, did not have to pay out much money.

The oddity of it all is that it is still on the market.

Omegaflex came out with a product called counterstrike which is thicker and supposedly doesn't need the bonding. Well, the gas code says you have to bond it anyway.
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It's a small problem here. I've gone behind where it's done that and burned up a few things.

Problem comes from who is going to bond it. On new construction, of course, it is the electrician. On remodels or whatever, the plumber couldn't tell you the difference between an acorn clamp and a split bolt.

"OK, here's your new gas line. It works fine right now and you'll see no functional difference ever, at all, but make sure you pay an electrician hundred of dollars more to come out and run a green wire to it after I leave!!"

Then,

I go to a CE class for electrical, and they spend over an hour going back and forth and on and on about how it should be to a separate rod all on its own "because it the power line gets hit by lighting you're not going to want that connected to your gas line!!!"
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I go to a CE class for electrical, and they spend over an hour going back and forth and on and on about how it should be to a separate rod all on its own "because it the power line gets hit by lighting you're not going to want that connected to your gas line!!!"
If that is true then someone is not at all educated on the subject. The instruction specifically call for the bonding to be done. That means bond it to the grounding system of the structure. It doesn't have to go to a rod.
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If that is true then someone is not at all educated on the subject. The instruction specifically call for the bonding to be done. That means bond it to the grounding system of the structure. It doesn't have to go to a rod.
Someone at the construction board had their friend, who is an inspector in a rural area, come out to discuss the code. When we got to CSST it all went to hell.

The inspector was just the kind of guy you can imagine. A multiple pocketed shirt with a tactical vest holding codebook references, big goofy fishing cap. Back country as **** mixed with nerd, mixed with something to prove. Probably doesn't even have natural gas in his backwoods cabin. The kind that's a one inspector for everything, making sure the bedrooms have arc-faults and the driveway gravel is dust free type...
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because the house was hit by lightning.
Here is the key...all bets are off. By all means bond it, but, there's no guarantee.
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