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Old 06-30-2013, 06:52 PM   #41
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So you feel bad because your rich customers were being really cheap and not wanting to pay you to do the whole job up front, so you just throw in the more expensive dimmers...
I'm pretty happy with my customers, they give me a lot of work.. They just expect the job done right the first time. It's my fault for not putting in the cfl/led dimmers from the beginning, I should have been more informed, it's my job.

Suppose I just didn't expect LED to take off like it has. So now I'm stuck in the situation of looking like a greasy shady contractor just trying to scam some people who don't know better, when really I just didn't know better.

When it comes to new construction, it's the GC's that are the difficult ones to sell better and more expensive products... That's why I save all the upgrades until after completion. But homeowners don't understand the dynamic. But to then come back again, that's just embarrassing.
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Old 06-30-2013, 06:59 PM   #42
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I'm pretty happy with my customers, they give me a lot of work.. They just expect the job done right the first time.
Earlier you said that they DON'T want the job done right the first time.

You went thru a long list of what they do in order to save money (ie, not pay you):

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they cheap out on halogens bulbs during construction, then pay a bunch to switch to dimmers to save money, then pay even more to switch to LED bulbs, then have to pay more to switch to cfl/led dimmers.
So why would you spend your profit by giving them free upgrades when they are trying to squeeze every nickel and dime away from you?
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I try to explain to people that not everything is compatible. Some of the better led products are very forgiving of what dimmer type they are on. Others, usually less expensive products aren't. This especially to customers adamant that they are providing their own materials. Some have been savvy enough to experiment on their own. Most have at least listened. The early cfl dimming thing was a disappointment too.
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I usually try to explain small upgrades to customers and how they can really help, but many times they don't want to pay even a minimal cost more.

Everything from installing fan rated boxes for ceiling fixtures to extra circuits or a raceway to the attic. In the end, it's up to them. If they don't want it, I am happy to come back later and install it. If they think I am "greasy" for not throwing it in for free up front, then they could call someone else.
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Earlier you said that they DON'T want the job done right the first time.
No I'm saying the cfl/led lutron maestros are the same price as the halogen/incandescent. At least they are now. I should have installed them from the beginning.

Well I do now! Lesson learned.

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You went thru a long list of what they do in order to save money (ie, not pay you):

So why would you spend your profit by giving them free upgrades when they are trying to squeeze every nickel and dime away from you?
No, they always pay... But sometimes (customers are all different) are not that happy about it, and I want them to be happy with the products and service.

I squeeze every nickel and dime out of anything I spend my money on. I even order from America and have things shipped to a Business across the line and then go pick it up to save some bucks. I shouldn't expect anyone else to not do the same. Lol

my job is to make them happy with spending the money on the products I recommend and my service. Electrical work is easy.. Being a good business person is difficult. I just failed on the electrical work and didn't install what I should have, knowing that in the future everyone would switch to LED bulbs.
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You can't know everything and if you aren't making some mistakes here and there, you aren't doing much, aggravating as it is. That's been one of the problems with LEDs, standards, whose product works with whose and how well. It is getting better though. I have gotten into this stuff slowly.
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I think as soon as the government throws some decent rebates out, is what fuels the instant LED explosion. They weren't popular here AT ALL 2 years ago. Now they're almost standard.

You can't buy a 100W incandescent any more and I heard next year you won't be able to buy a 60W incandescent. LED's are becoming the standard. We bought cases of 100W bulbs, which are going to be extremely valuable in a couple years.
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I'm posting here, because this thread came up in related threads.
That's the company that printed off their own certification label.
http://www.ledsmagazine.com/articles...lightfair.html

"Greenlite of Montreal, Quebec, a CFL manufacturer and now an LED-lamp purveyor(generally an importer reseller), was speeding a little too quickly on the way to market and was caught on the radar of the US Department of Energy’s Lighting Facts program late on Thursday at Lightfair.

As shown in the picture, taken at the DOE booth at Lightfair on Thursday, the product packaging graphics include the Lighting Facts label, which was determined to be a counterfeit.

On Thursday it was confirmed that not only is the label a counterfeit, the appropriate documentation for the product in question has not been as submitted and that is likely also due to the fact that Greenlite itself is not even a Lighting Facts Partner."
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