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Old 07-03-2016, 11:03 PM   #1
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i really enjoy trouble shooting cabinets like this
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Old 07-04-2016, 01:07 AM   #2
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Oh my where do you even start ,

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Multiple conceptual diagnostic interrogation, pic a spot and go for it.
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I would be talking about replacing that dinosaur. All of it!
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I would be talking about replacing that dinosaur. All of it!
With a little clean up it would be more cost effective than a whole replacement. Too many cooks in that kitchen.
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With a little clean up it would be more cost effective than a whole replacement. Too many cooks in that kitchen.
I'm talking about the old devices/relays/timers in there especially. A small PLC could take the place of all that ****. Could use the same enclosure if they want to.
I just loved ripping out and starting over.
I know it can't happen every time. But that's why I like plant work. We planned that stuff and did that stuff.
Something about new equipment with a schematic to trouble shoot from. Kinda nice.

But your right. Under the gun, in a day you could do wonders for that panel. But you still would have no drawing you could count on.
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I'm talking about the old devices/relays/timers in there especially. A small PLC could take the place of all that ****. Could use the same enclosure if they want to.
I just loved ripping out and starting over.
I know it can't happen every time. But that's why I like plant work. We planned that stuff and did that stuff.
Something about new equipment with a schematic to trouble shoot from. Kinda nice.

But your right. Under the gun, in a day you could do wonders for that panel. But you still would have no drawing you could count on.
Oh yeah there are a couple ways to go. Upgraded many old electro-mechanical panels that were huge in size that only ran 2-3 pieces of HVAC equipment. Depends on how much dollars and how much time you can take. Fun work for rainy day.
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First off I would blame the first idiot that didn't leave or lost the wiring diagram. Then blame the idiot that was to dumb to read or install wire labels. Then the lazy bum that left the pandit covers off the first time. Everyone else just didn't want to have anything to do with that mess except fix what wasn't working.

I see panels like this all the time.
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A few zip-ties and... it's all good.

I presume that the fella was:

1) Color blind.

2) Needed job security.

3) Short on wire markers.

4) Might have been trained in the Communist bloc.

{ All wires are equal, separated by Class only. }
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First off I would blame the first idiot that didn't leave or lost the wiring diagram. Then blame the idiot that was to dumb to read or install wire labels. Then the lazy bum that left the pandit covers off the first time. Everyone else just didn't want to have anything to do with that mess except fix what wasn't working.

I see panels like this all the time.
Yup and you just do what needs to be done and go no further on your service call. Then you can drop a few words to put 'renovate' on the table in the conversation about the panel.
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ok first panel wasn't so bad, but second one with plc is
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That ain't so bad, I can see all the wires.
I got called out one night to fix up a control panel that had a fire in it. No drawings just a lot of tracing and talking with the operator to figure out how this thing worked. I did get the machine working but they never upgraded the equipment. I ended up fixing it a second time and told them I would never work on that thing again.

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