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Old 10-21-2016, 12:04 PM   #1
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I had 2 service upgrade inspections this morning. I failed one of them because I did not use an existing ground rod

There was a single 1/2" ground rod near the service entrance with a #8 GEC going to it, I have no way to confirm the length.

So I did as I always do, I drove 2 8' long 5/8" ground rods and bonded them with #6 to the panel. I cut the old GEC from the old ground rod.

The inspector saw that old ground rod and said that I needed to connect to that as well since it's there.

He wasn't a d1ck about anything else, just that.
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Old 10-21-2016, 12:11 PM   #2
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Next time drive it past grade and cover it
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First word in sentence of 250-50 is ALL electrodes present.
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First word in sentence of 250-50 is ALL electrodes present.
You just never learn... Now that sabrina is dead to me, this is your perfect chance to work your way up my list. But nooooo, take the inspectors side.
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What constitutes a grounding electrode?

An old 1/2" 4' long rod?

How about those little rods that are the size of a car radio antenna that Cablevision uses? Do I have to use that too? If not, then why not?
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You just never learn... Now that sabrina is dead to me, this is your perfect chance to work your way up my list. But nooooo, take the inspectors side.
I don't write code books, I just read them once a decade or so. You never know when Mike Holt will step down and leave a vacuum . I will step right in with the Acme electrical book store and online training system.
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I think the inspector is being a ****. He has no way of knowing if that rod is an electrode as it may be 4' deep. Cut off the top and tell him it isn't 8' anymore
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Thanks for the support Dennis, I was feeling very vulnerable.
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Thanks for the support Dennis, I was feeling very vulnerable.
No need to feel vulnerable, 1/2'' ground rods don't meet the code either. So there was no electrode present.........................
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I'm going to have to suggest daily visits to this link, until ACME is up and running. We will be far superior when it does. Meantime: http://www.mikeholt.com/dailycodetipcalendar.php
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That Acme thing is all a farce. You don't have have it in you to run a purely profit based code defiant operation. Wham, bam, thanks for the check ma'am.
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So you mean to tell me by connecting a 3rd ground rod it would make a difference??!!
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So you mean to tell me by connecting a 3rd ground rod it would make a difference??!!
I bet that third rod is not 6' from the other either.
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Hax how many feet did you cut off the rods you put in....LOL

I just cut a foot off one but it was for a temp pole-- basically worthless anyway
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Hax how many feet did you cut off the rods you put in....LOL

I just cut a foot off one but it was for a temp pole-- basically worthless anyway
Generally I have no problem driving them in so I don't cut them. But I was thinking about cutting an 8 footer in half to make 2 ground rods from now on, that will increase my profit by $15 per service upgrade.
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I bet that third rod is not 6' from the other either.
It doesn't seem like code requires that. I have 2 others that are at least 6' apart which satisfies code. The issue here is that the old ground rod is present so it must be used.
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I think it was a bs call by the inspector anyway.


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Hereabouts ground rods are categorically rejected by the AHJ -- except for temp power.

It's Ufers or ground rings, nothing less.

BUT.

The Poco is so onerous ($$$) about temp power that everyone has defaulted to gen-sets.

Consequently, most SH barely stock them.

Sales are THAT low.

BTW, our 'soils' [ rocks ] are such that driving a ground rod is absurd.

So, lucky you.
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I am talking about a service upgrade, there is no Ufer on a 70 year old house. We run a GEC to the water pipe and another to a pair of ground rods.
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I am talking about a service upgrade, there is no Ufer on a 70 year old house. We run a GEC to the water pipe and another to a pair of ground rods.
We would be stuck establishing a Ufer -- every time a Service is touched for an inspection, ie a heavy-up.

It's a California 'thing.'
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