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Old 09-02-2017, 08:41 AM   #21
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Still sounds like your fault. You ordered wire in meters from an American supply house where the guys that cut it can barely understand feet and inches.
That causes probs for us Canadians.

Plans are usually metric, everything in millimetres, not meters.

Conduit is sold in feet
Wire is sold in meters
Workers use feet and inches to measure on the job

Very often a worker measures a wire cut in feet. The supply house sells in meters so the counter guy has to do the calculation and we all know how smart they are.

I tell guys to measure wire in meters and ask for it in meters.
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Old 09-02-2017, 08:43 AM   #22
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We were pulling switchgear feeders and two pulls were on the same reel. We pulled from the middle to one end, then measured off to the other. We measured about 5 times then cut. When we pulled the cable in, as it dropped out of the tray the guys outside were saying "that's it".. We were 7 meters short on a 280 meter pull.. No way we could sneak that much back.. It took about 10 minutes and I found a fix to the problem and it would cost us 1 - 18" wide length of cable tray. Told the boss the problem, the fix I found and he came out to look and ok'd it. When the owner came up to site, he saw these two fairly long tails of 3c500 mcm 5kv teck and was about to boil over.. I explained what happened and it was either those two tails or one at 270 meters long.. He was as ok as could be in the end.
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Funny you say that. We ended up with 100 extra feet of 600 copper after a pull once. The customer bought the wire directly so the boss said "Make it disappear." It disappeared right into my pocket.
Well, I just can't imagine.........
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Funny you say that. We ended up with 100 extra feet of 600 copper after a pull once. The customer bought the wire directly so the boss said "Make it disappear." It disappeared right into my pocket.
When I first had my drivers license my Uncle sent me to the scrap yard with a domestic hotwater heat exchanger in his pick up, it turned out to be all copper when the yard guy checked it out..

The guy at the scrap yard handed me a little over $300 and Unk said to pocket the money for my gas expenses, of course I never mentioned the amount to him but I was hooked on scrapping for life after that.
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We always give the rabbit to the apprentices.
One shop I worked for had a real prick for a superintendent.
He would show up a couple of time a day when we were pulling feeders. Didn't matter if it was 250s or 600s, he wanted all of the scrap.
Said it was going back to the shop.

You know how you are Tommy!!

We were about tired of that.
Next pull of 500s I had the apprentice cut 20' off of each reel and put it in the trunk of his car first thing in the morning.
Sure enough, just as we start pulling, here comes ol Tommy.
When we were done pulling, he collected the extra 5 or so feet we had left.
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The rest of the story was it was 500mcm and the crew went out for beers afterwards............?
I don't remember the wire size, but this guy liked to order everything tight. We were short on material a lot of the time.

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We always give the rabbit to the apprentices.
One shop I worked for had a real prick for a superintendent.
He would show up a couple of time a day when we were pulling feeders. Didn't matter if it was 250s or 600s, he wanted all of the scrap.
Said it was going back to the shop.

You know how you are Tommy!!

We were about tired of that.
Next pull of 500s I had the apprentice cut 20' off of each reel and put it in the trunk of his car first thing in the morning.
Sure enough, just as we start pulling, here comes ol Tommy.
When we were done pulling, he collected the extra 5 or so feet we had left.
My paternal Grandfather was tight and never gave scrap to anyone but my Uncles (his sons) were just as generous as he was tight, they all worked for him growing up and knew what that was like.

The Uncles on my mother's side were different in how they dealt with scrap, one brought it to the shop for party money the others gave it to the youngest guys on their jobs.
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I once had an extra 15'-20' on the feeders of a pull, overhead conduit.

Foreman was not happy.

[ He had NO complaint. Most foremen would consider 15-20 feet to be sweet. BTW, it's the industry recommended NORM... 102% + 10 feet is the recommended cut for feeders. There is a strong tendency to forget that quite a bit of wire is needed after it comes out of the hole to reach the lugs. ]

In my defense, he wanted a measurement before the pipe run was finished at the very end of the day, so I basically took a rough count of the conduit and added 10' on both sides because I had no idea where it was landing in the gear.
That's one crazy foreman.
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That causes probs for us Canadians.



Plans are usually metric, everything in millimetres, not meters.



Conduit is sold in feet

Wire is sold in meters

Workers use feet and inches to measure on the job



Very often a worker measures a wire cut in feet. The supply house sells in meters so the counter guy has to do the calculation and we all know how smart they are.



I tell guys to measure wire in meters and ask for it in meters.


What plans other than government facilities come in metric? Never seen metric prints in Canada for standard resi, commercial or industrial work.


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That's one crazy foreman.
After that event I would pull true tape and snake it in the gear the path I figured it'd take and just add about 5'. He just hated seeing waste and didn't like to have leftover material.

I had just organized in and thought these union guys are crazy.

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Three of us get sent to a new development we're doing to pull underground services today.......
Turns out the cut was 50' short because the excavator who ran the pipes didn't quite remember where they went. Our fault for not true taping them though.
Gotta love non-union jobs where non-electricians get involved doing electrical work.
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Gotta love non-union jobs where non-electricians get involved doing electrical work.



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What plans other than government facilities come in metric? Never seen metric prints in Canada for standard resi, commercial or industrial work.


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Pretty much every set of commercial and industrial drawings I've done are in metric.. I think a McDonald's I was on was imperial, but everything else is metric.. Unless +1200 AFF is in 1/8" increments? All benchmarks I can remember seein start at 100.000 m.
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Pretty much every set of commercial and industrial drawings I've done are in metric.. I think a McDonald's I was on was imperial, but everything else is metric..


That's surprising, I've done major grocery stores, dental and medical facilities, national banks, national retail chains, fitness centres, currently doing a distillery, all imperial, maybe it's unique to the vancouver area.


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That's surprising, I've done major grocery stores, dental and medical facilities, national banks, national retail chains, fitness centres, currently doing a distillery, all imperial, maybe it's unique to the vancouver area.


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No idea, but every oil and gas site I've been on, commercial projects, and all the sites I worked at on the engineering side were all metric..
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Interesting, o&g has me thinking Alberta? The only job ive had in Alberta was stocking shelves overnight at the superstore for $24 an hour at the height of the boom, so I wouldn't know what was used out there for prints


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Everything is metric in Ottawa. I can't think of one job that didn't have metric prints. Keep in mind, I talking about engineered, stamped prints.

Sometimes they have both, never just Imperial
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Interesting, o&g has me thinking Alberta? The only job ive had in Alberta was stocking shelves overnight at the superstore for $24 an hour at the height of the boom, so I wouldn't know what was used out there for prints


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Everything is metric in Ottawa. I can't think of one job that didn't have metric prints. Keep in mind, I talking about engineered, stamped prints.



Sometimes they have both, never just Imperial

Of course engineered and stamped, were not cowboys just because we're out west

but I think you answered it, your in the nations capital, Canadaville, gotta represent metric.

None of the trades or engineers out here use metric except to read the code book, But I do agree an all metric system with no conversion would be far superior.


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