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Old 02-06-2015, 07:51 PM   #21
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I've been an eletrician's helper going on a year now for 2 different Companies .

all the time I see guys come in talking about how they are machanics and want $ 18 /hour but cant read a simple floor plan or they are not creative enough in tricky situations ... they never last long / sometimes it seems like the foreman watches them extra hard but the fake guys never last.

O Community My question is what are the essential skills and qualifications that make you a machanic ? because I know guys who say they've been in the trade for 5years and gets paid what I get ( Helper wage)

Oh dedicated one, How it goes around here (yes we call them mechanics too, if you call someone a journeyman they laugh at you) the only license in my area is a masters. So, experience fraud is extremely common.

Laborer. - green as fu#%. Dig trenches and organize vans. Learn the parts. Not many of them around.

Helper- you went to trade school or have a year of experience or so. Run wires, make splices, device houses, under extreme supervision, and just do whatever your mechanic says.

Jr. Mechanic- this is what I am. 4-5 years exp. You're pretty much expected to work alone with a skilled mechanic running the job. Connections and outlets and whatnot should NOT have to be checked. How it works for me is, the mechanic says the overview of the work, and how it will be done. Him and I split up, complete the work, and leave.

Mechanic. 5-100000000 yrs experience. In order to be a mechanic you must be able to be sent out alone, and complete any job, pushing through any problems alone. You also, have to be able to run at least a helper (in the earlier years) and then an entire crew as you get to the 7-10yrs mark.

Again, this is how it's been for me in the shops I've been with.

Hope this helps clear up confusion.
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Old 02-06-2015, 07:55 PM   #22
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Oh dedicated one, How it goes around here (yes we call them mechanics too, if you call someone a journeyman they laugh at you) the only license in my area is a masters. So, experience fraud is extremely common.

Laborer. - green as fu#%. Dig trenches and organize vans. Learn the parts. Not many of them around.

Helper- you went to trade school or have a year of experience or so. Run wires, make splices, device houses, under extreme supervision, and just do whatever your mechanic says.

Jr. Mechanic- this is what I am. 4-5 years exp. You're pretty much expected to work alone with a skilled mechanic running the job. Connections and outlets and whatnot should NOT have to be checked. How it works for me is, the mechanic says the overview of the work, and how it will be done. Him and I split up, complete the work, and leave.

Mechanic. 5-100000000 yrs experience. In order to be a mechanic you must be able to be sent out alone, and complete any job, pushing through any problems alone. You also, have to be able to run at least a helper (in the earlier years) and then an entire crew as you get to the 7-10yrs mark.

Again, this is how it's been for me in the shops I've been with.

Hope this helps clear up confusion.
Very helpful... Maybe only in new York you have mechanics idk
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I've also noticed HWD that you seem shocked by the mechanic wanting 18/hr. I consider that to be a 2nd year apprentice wage, certainly not the kind of money an experienced JM electrician would expect.
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Very helpful... Maybe only in new York you have mechanics idk

Are you in NY? Because down in Long Island, there isn't any sort of licensing program. And if you're seeing the same type of people we see, ex framers who are out of a job pretending to be electricians, just know that it's how it is here.

Seems the immigrants here haven't touched electric. Electric brings out all the sleezebag white trash folk.
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I've also noticed HWD that you seem shocked by the mechanic wanting 18/hr. I consider that to be a 2nd year apprentice wage, certainly not the kind of money an experienced JM electrician would expect.

A good Jr. Mechanic, 4-5 yrs, would make around 18 in this neck of the woods.
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4 to 5 yrs around here would most likely mean that you have finished or are nearly finished of the apprenticeship and you would be making somewhere in the 28 to 40/hr range plus benefits.
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Are you in NY? Because down in Long Island, there isn't any sort of licensing program. And if you're seeing the same type of people we see, ex framers who are out of a job pretending to be electricians, just know that it's how it is here.

Seems the immigrants here haven't touched electric. Electric brings out all the sleezebag white trash folk.
Many plumbers coming out.... The site is in Mineola right now
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Non union
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Even a non-union JM around here is earning somewhere around 25 to 30/hr. Probably no or very little benefits for the non union around here.
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Even a non-union JM around here is earning somewhere around 25 to 30/hr. Probably no or very little benefits for the non union around here.
What state?
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The great state of Canada. Nova Scotia to be exact.
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The great state of Canada. Nova Scotia to be exact.
Sheesh...sounds cold by the way
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The last week or two has been very cold. Lots of snow last night as well. The weather is pretty much identical as it is in New York, Maine, etc......pretty much the same thing all up and down the eastern seaboard. Winter sucks no matter where you are
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Many plumbers coming out.... The site is in Mineola right now

Oh yeah I'm sure. It's pretty rough in Nassau and the boroughs. We do a lot of work up on the Gold Coast and some gov't buildings in Queens. But I mostly am out doing high end residential in the Hamptons. The shops based out of central Suffolk and we go everywhere.

You got a big shop?
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$1 US dollar = $1.25 Canadian dollar plus maybe cost of living is different.
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Where I live we refer to anyone that is good at their trade as a good mechanic. It refers to basic mechanical skills that all trades use. You could have allot of technical knowledge but at the brain/hand interface is just not their.
If a person has the brain/hand interface meaning he has the knowledge and can actually put it together then he is a good mechanic.
Allot of engineers don't have the brain/hand interface. They can male it look on paper but don't ask them to put it in.

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NY is the highest cost of living in the country.
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NY is the highest cost of living in the country.
You would think the wages would compensate just to be able to live there.
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NY is the highest cost of living in the country.
You haven't been to Hawaii.
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You haven't been to Hawaii.

Honolulu is #2 with 69.1% above the U.S. average.

NY is #1 with 120.4% over the US average.

Edit: The rest of Hawaii isn't on the list I was looking at. Not in the top ten.

http://m.kiplinger.com/slideshow/rea...x.html?page=11
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