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Old 09-10-2017, 07:37 AM   #21
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I walked around with a clipboard and a concerned look for over a year as a foreskin, it's a cultivated sort of thing, the sh*t you can get away with is phenomenal......~CS~
Yes, one must always carry a prop when walking a job.
I started working inside of the shop office when I was in my mid 30s. One of the older estimators took me aside and said to never walk through the office without carrying prop such as a file folder even on the way to the bathroom.

After that, I setup some files as props, a red, blue, yellow on my desk to mix it up a bit.
I would walk by his office once in a while and tough the side of my nose like in the movie The Sting.
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Old 09-10-2017, 07:50 AM   #22
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Yes, one must always carry a prop when walking a job.
I started working inside of the shop office when I was in my mid 30s. One of the older estimators took me aside and said to never walk through the office without carrying prop such as a file folder even on the way to the bathroom.
LOL this is very true

I was at an Army depot when I was a kid, getting the lay of the land, and a second lieutenant right out of school, only a couple years older than me, helped me out. One fine day he said to grab a clipboard, we're going indoor TDY. I went along with it.

He pointed out that if you went through the shops and warehouses with a clipboard absolutely nobody wanted anything to do with you, they'd flee like roaches when the lights go on. If you're taking inventory or inspecting something, people avoid you like the plague.

So two young nitwits could raid the vending machines and find a place to f*** off just about any day after 2:00PM and play paper football or play quarters with iced tea on one of the workbenches until the clock ran out with near zero chance of anyone ever saying a word to them.

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As a foreman I never took on my own tasks. I would work when I had time, but always helping guys with their tasks. This way I could always drop it and leave when necessary. I would also be a go-for, bringing the guys tools and material when I came to see them, this way they could stay working.
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You were never a foreman. They only put the good looking guys there.
The pretty boys are 'princed' as project managers... where they don't have to know anything and are not responsible for production... just glad-handing the customer.
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As others have said and in a more memorable way of keeping it in you mind:

Management Rule #1

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LOL this is very true

I was at an Army depot when I was a kid, getting the lay of the land, and a second lieutenant right out of school, only a couple years older than me, helped me out. One fine day he said to grab a clipboard, we're going indoor TDY. I went along with it.

He pointed out that if you went through the shops and warehouses with a clipboard absolutely nobody wanted anything to do with you, they'd flee like roaches when the lights go on. If you're taking inventory or inspecting something, people avoid you like the plague.

So two young nitwits could raid the vending machines and find a place to f*** off just about any day after 2:00PM and play paper football or play quarters with iced tea on one of the workbenches until the clock ran out with near zero chance of anyone ever saying a word to them.

That is funny. When I was in army , I was assigned Unit armorer
for about a year.
CO , Xo , 1st sergeant wouldn't even know where i was 1/2
The time. carried that clip board every where i went. never was
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That is funny. When I was in army , I was assigned Unit armorer
for about a year.
CO , Xo , 1st sergeant wouldn't even know where i was 1/2
The time. carried that clip board every where i went. never was
questioned.
But everyone was always asking, " Have you seen Bigfoot" ?
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Well without discussion I started implementing my ideas. It's just tough because everything pretty much all needs to be done right now, and I think months of poor management has led up to this point.

Regardless, I made a point not to rush to my own projects, I got the guys laid out and organized, I'm keeping the same guys working on the same tasks and they're only carrying the material they need, I had them unload any unnecessary items to the respective workers or to the material shelves. I believe there was waaaaaay less wandering around for material. I checked in periodically and would grab things they needed, or couldn't find.

One guy said he was looking for something for 20 minutes which killed me because I knew exactly where it was, so I'm going to have to really push them to ask first if they don't know, instead of looking first, then asking. Another guy walked right past the tool wagon, past me, to try to find a drill, when there was 3 drills sitting in the wagon.

We are still way behind but all in all I was happy with the amount of work that got done, and I think we had a more productive day in 8 hours than we ever did in 12 hours (or maybe just as much).
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Well without discussion I started implementing my ideas. It's just tough because everything pretty much all needs to be done right now, and I think months of poor management has led up to this point.

Regardless, I made a point not to rush to my own projects, I got the guys laid out and organized, I'm keeping the same guys working on the same tasks and they're only carrying the material they need, I had them unload any unnecessary items to the respective workers or to the material shelves. I believe there was waaaaaay less wandering around for material. I checked in periodically and would grab things they needed, or couldn't find.

One guy said he was looking for something for 20 minutes which killed me because I knew exactly where it was, so I'm going to have to really push them to ask first if they don't know, instead of looking first, then asking. Another guy walked right past the tool wagon, past me, to try to find a drill, when there was 3 drills sitting in the wagon.

We are still way behind but all in all I was happy with the amount of work that got done, and I think we had a more productive day in 8 hours than we ever did in 12 hours (or maybe just as much).
The reason you want to deploy Baker// Perry scaffolds as materials 'carts' is because they can display all of the 'hot' minor materials -- MUCH closer to the active zone. Then it can be displaced, at will, so that the stuff most in demand is right to hand:

Wire nuts
Tape
Wire numbers

EMT fittings
EMT... racked down below... a bundle of this... and that.
Straps

Hardware -- everything from Tapcons to wedge anchors

And, at the end, it knocks down... to be hauled away.

The big assumption being that the building is secure enough that this puppy does not roll away, entire.

( I've caught my own troopers trying to steal such scaffolds, BTW. )

As you've discovered, the amount of labor lost hunting for minor materials can astound.

The other labor burn is trying to make do with the 'wrong' materials.

Both drains will just kill a job.
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You also want to be sitting astride all of the tools // materials -- that are 'hot.'

This way, the crew learns that they have to // should come to you first for just about everything.

You'll increase the production tempo something silly when this happens.

For you're the guy who can get the shop to send out more of this that and the other, not them.

It is YOU who needs to know at the earliest moment that this or that is critically low.

You're the guy who realizes that a whole suite of concrete anchors will be necessary to hand... next week. ( Wedge anchors, Tapcons, Hilti pins... shots,... ) No-one else will see this need coming. The office// shop can only think in general terms. They can't stay on tempo.

It's for these reasons that you WANT to be the materials pimp. It dove tails right into specifying how this or that assembly should come together. It's not enough to imagine a solution, you have to pull all of the minor materials together.

This is something that ONLY the foreman can do... only you can do.

Even the GF is at too an abstract a level of command... his plate is full.

So the essence of your mission is to provide all of the concrete solutions ( no pun intended ) in terms of schemes -- and to make them work, you have to bring in the necessary materials.

You can't successfully delegate this.

You were promoted because the GF was drowning in these details.

( Keep in mind that the GF, your GF, is compelled to spend an ocean of time yapping with the GC Super and the Office... ie the Project Manager... with the GC being the major offender.)
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^^^^^^^^^
Right there is just one of many reasons the iPad excels over a clipboard. Getting into it would just give away to much. Once the company embraces the digital world with iPads and Trimble total stations, there's just no going back.
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one of the biggest challenges for me has been balancing working to the prints / RFIs versus deviating from what's on paper because it won't actually work. Sometimes you can tell fairly clearly what the intent of the architect is for the system design, but (for example) the lighting designer clearly didn't talk to the cubicle furniture designer so the occupancy sensors aren't actually going to be able to see employees at their desks and the lights will be constantly turning off on people. Some things you can just fix it on the fly and mark in the as-builts and you'll get cheers for everything working the first time. Others you've got to run up the chain of command and have a paper trail of authorizations and approvals.
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