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Old 12-27-2018, 09:12 AM   #21
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And you would have notched the joists too!
I've scene what goes on over in your neck of the words mr.
Exactly.

The customer would have been happier, I would have been happier, it's a win-win.

The only people who wouldn't be happy are some electrician on the interwebs who worry about etiquette more than profit and customer satisfaction.


ETA: I don't notch joists. I notch drywall under joists.

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And you would have notched the joists too!
I've scene what goes on over in your neck of the words mr.

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Seems minor when you see a tinbasher drill an 8” hole in a joist.

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Can someone tell me where it says that it has to be piped all the way to the panel or if it doesn't can you tell me where it says it doesn't
Code books donít work that way. If youíre looking for rules telling you what not to do, you will have a difficult time. Besides that, like someone else said, the boss told you how he likes it, and itís compliant, so thatís how you do it.
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He did say he was going to offset it, though.
It's going to shrink after he offsets it, it will be less hack but still hack.
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The twin panels are just to the left of a major structural element.

And, as ever, the original installation used all of the top entries.

So his boss wanted to come in from below... with the raceway running to the right of the right panel.

I don't like PVC indoors. I want the flexibility of kicking EMT to and fro.

A smaller, yet deep, NEMA1 can would be preferred.

Then it could be mounted semi-flush, with enough surface depth such that the raceway could enter neatly. Inside the stud bay, the deeper portion of the can would permit the conductors to pass straight up into the panel can.

The can-to-can penetration would be aligned by KO'ing them both at the same time... and tossing in a chase nipple.

For the typical spa: 3/4" EMT ==> 2 #6 ; 2 #10 would suffice.

That PVC looks fat. (1")
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Why the box?
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@telsa I have never seen a spa unit that would allow you to undersize the neutral. 100% of every unit I have done has called for a specific size for all the wiring.

Also, depending upon the spa unit, many of the control panels now have 1" openings to them, so if you run a 3/4", now you're having to install reducing bushings and a bonding bushing to the end of the EMT, in a likely very very tight control panel.
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I reduce the neutral all the time. All it is doing is some controls or at the very most a small pump motor.
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@telsa I have never seen a spa unit that would allow you to undersize the neutral. 100% of every unit I have done has called for a specific size for all the wiring.

Also, depending upon the spa unit, many of the control panels now have 1" openings to them, so if you run a 3/4", now you're having to install reducing bushings and a bonding bushing to the end of the EMT, in a likely very very tight control panel.
It's my style to stay with 1" PVC out doors// underground and then transition to 3/4" EMT once I'm inside conditioned space -- to include an enclosed garage// basement.

I've never seen #6 specified for the neutral in a spa pack. But then, I haven't seen everything.
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Why the box?
He said something about load shedding. I dunno, I guess thatís to disconnect the spa when the system switches to back up power.
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This is typical of almost every spa I have ever encountered, usually #8 or #6 is called for. Here is the manual, page 29.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/prod-hotspr...m-60hz-int.pdf
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3 #8 & 1 #10 still puts me inside 3/4."

They'd go in slicker than snot.
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He did say he was going to offset it, though.

yeah I caught that after I posted didn't want to dirty delete

but that whole installation looks crappy lol
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I bet you could have your cake and eat it too, you can go up to four #6 THHN/THWN in 3/4" EMT, transition to 1" PVC inside, run 3/4" EMT from the panel to a box on the inside of the wall, and run 1" PVC through the wall to a PVC LB outside and on to the spa panel.
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Apparently they don't have heat guns, boxes or blankets in NYC...

That could have been one nice continuous piece instead of looking like a plumber put some prefab 90* and a bunch of couplings together. Now the second part, does it meet code? I am guessing it probably does, but back to the previous post, if it is not how the boss told you to do it... start over... gives you a second chance to make it look nice too.

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Apparently they don't have heat guns, boxes or blankets in NYC...

That could have been one nice continuous piece instead of looking like a plumber put some prefab 90* and a bunch of couplings together. Now the second part, does it meet code? I am guessing it probably does, but back to the previous post, if it is not how the boss told you to do it... start over... gives you a second chance to make it look nice too.

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Heat bending PVC in a garage that is already filled with all kinds of crap, including bad pipe work and wires strung along the walls, is a giant waste of profit, IMO.

As I mentioned earlier, the homeowner won't know the difference, only the other electrician on the internet
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Well as long as the other crap is not their previous work, it could be used as a good example of "quality work" for that higher margin. In the end I would not be so sure it would be that much different in price, but we bend a lot of PVC up here it is nothing for us.

You are right though, most people don't know good work from crap unless they are shown the difference.

In looking at the picture, I probably would have gone a different root anyway (but can't see the end so not sure if it would be any better)…

Instead of coming out the top of that JB, probably would have come out the side, 90* up the wall and rolled 90* along ceiling where the other pipe and wires are. Would have saved a fitting and trying to offset around all that other crap in a small space.

Don't know your rules about coming into that box with a romex, but if that is not allowed, could have used a piece of ENT to snake his way to the box. If he has a metal connector on the PVC box end of that romex, then he needs to bond the connector with a grounding bushing I would think.

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Heat bending PVC in a garage that is already filled with all kinds of crap, including bad pipe work and wires strung along the walls, is a giant waste of profit, IMO.

As I mentioned earlier, the homeowner won't know the difference, only the other electrician on the internet
I would have spent the time to make it look better, reguardless of how bad the existing wiring is, I canít help it.

One of the reasons why Iím not a contractor.
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PVC is never pretty. It would be prettier if it was bent instead of cobbled together but it would still be ugly.

It would be so much easier and nicer to do with EMT.

The customer would care, they may miss the fine points with conduit but they do see the difference between a glued together pile of plastic parts and a shiny metal pipe custom fit to their home.

It will be especially easy to look good next to the ugly PVC that's already there.
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PVC is never pretty. It would be prettier if it was bent instead of cobbled together but it would still be ugly.

It would be so much easier and nicer to do with EMT.

The customer would care, they may miss the fine points with conduit but they do see the difference between a glued together pile of plastic parts and a shiny metal pipe custom fit to their home.

It will be especially easy to look good next to the ugly PVC that's already there.
The customer would have liked a tiny little Romex cable tucked up against that conduit in the top corner much better.
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