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Old 06-12-2017, 11:40 PM   #21
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I STILL don't get why tin studs are laying around this job.
As I see it the walls for the hallway, the false ceiling with grid tiles and the hot water closets, electrical rooms, and lounges are all steel studs. The residential portion is wood.

Here is a goodie. All residences here also have 120V smokes that only sound in the room.
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Old 06-12-2017, 11:59 PM   #22
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As I see it the walls for the hallway, the false ceiling with grid tiles and the hot water closets, electrical rooms, and lounges are all steel studs. The residential portion is wood.

Here is a goodie. All residences here also have 120V smokes that only sound in the room.
What kind of building is this?
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I STILL don't get why tin studs are laying around this job.

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As linear dimensions grow, steel wins out. It's HARD to find straight softwood as the lengths rise. The ancient forests have been cut down.

In termite country, the equation TOTALLY shifts. It's no longer a balance between softwood and steel... it's between TREATED softwood and steel. The treated waste goes off to the pit... at a premium.

Steel structures also get a discount for fire insurance, too.

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You guys are missing it: if steel is used, EVERY EC has to use grommets. This means that they are in everyone's bid... and NOT relevant to whether you'll come out ahead, or not.

BTW, putting grommets into factory punch-outs requires wire-monkey skills.

You don't even need a super-hawg... cordless or otherwise.

Grommeted Romex pulls like greased lightning, BTW. Yes, even faster than through wood.

The first time steel studding was introduced on Oahu, the framers objected. This passed VERY quickly. Steel is so much lighter than wood.

Electricians can snap in grommets MUCH faster than they can punch holes.

And the industry standard grommet can handle multiple Romex cables... no sweat.

The kicker is that the EC has to have ordered the RIGHT (plastic) boxes... engineered for steel studs. Like grommets, these are virtually cost-irrelevant... as every EC has to purchase them. Nails-into-steel just do not work.

Many j-men have never seen these. They are hypnotized by what they know.
Oh yeah, plastic boxes with steel studs are great
Other than they walk like a mofo when you are trying to get the screws started, usually end up crooked. Plus you get to buy grommets by the bushel, and the colorado jims to support the romex everywhere. F that. You still have to punch the top and bottom plate, so its not like you dont have to punch holes. If Romex is involved, give me wood studs every day of the week and twice on sunday.
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What kind of building is this?
It is a campus of multilevel retirement non assisted living properties with a medical center and community center as a hub. We are wiring one of the 4 story apartments. Each apartment is for sale as an individual property therefore they can remodel at will within limits.

Here is another one. The plans call for a hold open fire door between buildings. We ran the power wires to the locations on the plans but, the walls that are supposed to have the hold open devices are not walls anymore they are doorways.

Oh well, we'll figure it out.
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It is a campus of multilevel retirement non assisted living properties with a medical center and community center as a hub. We are wiring one of the 4 story apartments. Each apartment is for sale as an individual property therefore they can remodel at will within limits.

Here is another one. The plans call for a hold open fire door between buildings. We ran the power wires to the locations on the plans but, the walls that are supposed to have the hold open devices are not walls anymore they are doorways.

Oh well, we'll figure it out.
Sounds like the magnets will be on the floor, oh happy happy joy joy! Don't you just love it when the plans are followed so well.
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